EcoTrain QOTW: Is the Death penalty the epitome of hypocrisy? Does an 'eye for an eye' have a place in the modern age, and what kind of message does this send to society?

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Q: Is the Death penalty the epitome of hypocrisy? Does an 'eye for an eye' have a place in the modern age, and what kind of message does this send to society??

This question cannot be answered.
I feel i could logically prove that this question cannot be answered.... but that's boring, and does not get us closer to the answers we seek.

First, what does "modern age" even mean?

Most people accept the propaganda that we are soooo advanced.
I mean, just look at us! We are able to confine thousands of criminals in tiny block buildings. We are soooo advanced!

In many senses, the modern age has gone backward. A police man could usually solve a crime because the list of suspects could be counted on one hand, and usually ended up as "Cooter, you know you are supposed to ask before borrowing something, now you got them all riled up..."

Also, before the modern age of long haul trucking, communities were very dependent on themselves. Thus they had a reason and a right to help others near them. The town idiot was used to deliver notes and sweep board walks. Today, the town idiot is told to get a house a car and a job, you lazy bum. Any of which is too hard for the fella. And so, we have been plagued with a homeless crowd ever since we created cities.

So, in modern society, we have outcasts whom no one cares about. I mean, soup kitchens and flop houses are hard work (emotionally). This means that the definition of "modern society" is a society that does not care for the bottom rung. And thus, the criminal code must be streamlined to process these people in and out of jail.

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An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

If you knew you would lose an eye if you poked out someone else's eye, you would be very careful not to damage someone's eye. Unless, of course, you have nothing to lose.

As a deterrent, this adage works quite well. (as long as it is actually enforced all around. Today, half of the murders are not even investigated.)

But the real piece here is justice.
True justice would be for the convict to restore the victim to the position they were in before the crime.
But, since we don't have reconstructive surgery like StarTrek yet, then for many crimes and accidents, there is actually no recompense.

So, we as a society have to figure a pattern that provides something back the victim.
In our "modern society" that is usually in the form of cash payment. However, the cash is a small comfort compared to most losses. Further, crimes are usually done by the bottom of society... which has no cash.

In the end, physical punishment is often the best.
Caning is seen as abhorrent here in the west, but it works quite well.
Its important attributes is that people, both the victim and possible perpetrators, get to see the punishment and the pain it entails. If you are going to have a deterrent, it needs to be nationally televised.

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Now, we ask about the "Death Penalty"

Since i know reincarnation to be the way of the universe, my feelings on death, and thus the death penalty are quite different than most.

That said, does the death penalty do its job?
What is its job anyways?

Here is the typical example, in a fit of passion, or a blinding rage, someone killed someone else.
And, to bring justice, that person should die.

However, of all the crimes, murder is the least common to be repeated.
Unless they are a psychopath, the murderer has probably had the worst experience of their lives, and will be even less likely to murder in the future.

So, is it a deterrent? Not really.

If a murder trial takes years to be resolved with many appeals, starts and stops, where no actual truth is discussed, and then finally, years later, the murderer is electrocuted (with only a whimper in the press)... is it a deterrent? Not at all.

Next, that murder trial has to be completely played out to get to the death penalty. That court case costs more than keeping the person in prison until they die of natural causes. Financially speaking, that is just shtupid.

Therefor, in our "modern society" the death penalty is useless and costly.
It does not act as a deterrent, and any justice is lost.

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The solution to this problem lies outside the rickety, rusted structure that to most people is seemingly set in stone... human nature.

In the future, we will have communities that care about all the people. There will plans and guidelines to make sure no one falls through the cracks. The way to avoid criminals is to avoid making criminals.

Currently, if we look at statistics, single motherhood is the leading cause of incarceration, suicide, drug addiction and about anything else you want to look at. In the future, single motherhood will be abhorrent to us. The child will be chosen to be born into a community, and the mother, and the father, will not be left to fend for themselves. It will be made sure that the child does not have added stress from the mother or father being stressed. Teaching of the child will be interactive and completely customized for the child. And by the time the child is 13, they will be a productive part of the community.

You don't steal things when you know how, and that you can get one yourself.
You don't steal things when you know the joy of creating it yourself.

No law could ever be made to mandate these things.
So, "the law" can only be used to clean up the mess after its happened.
And, right now, "the law" is doing a horrible job. (unless of course what you want is the destruction of society and the disenfranchisement of a large part of the population)

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Capital Punishment and Vengence will never prevent Murder, in fact, it can only work to encourage offenses. It doesn't matter how "in your face" the act is, not that such inhumanity could be pushed to the front page without a backlash from the public. Fear porn and fatality crowds will certainly love it if they would televise it uncensored.

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Yep, that is the heart and core of justice. And, why justice is pretty much only something that can be discussed in ivory towers. Justice evaporates as soon as any logic is applied to it.

Metaphysically speaking, the "victim" brought the incident to them. The "victim" and the "perpetrator" co-created the incident. But, we are a long way from having people even tentatively accept the law of attraction and even longer before they can understand its full manifestations.

So, given that. What is justice?
You find out that two people were secretly hurting (emotionally), and now they are hurting even more. Well, the correct thing to do is to help both of them heal. But no, what we like to do is make them both hurt some more by insisting on vengeance.

You think you can heal those that refuse to heal?

Justice is all about Reason, Logic and Conflict Resolution/Arbitration. Justice is not concerned with ephemeral or metaphysical. Legality is merely the "appearance of justice", but everyone knows there's also forgiveness but it hardly gets considered in legality but is at the heart of justice.

You know what justice is as you know what equitability is, and as you'd know what fair is, which you'd know from how you expect the certainties of how people treat one another in such manners, all by logic and sound arguments with supporting evidence and intent if criminal. It's then not at the whim of any one person but by the decision of 12 unanimous jurors. It's not perfect as it's arbitrerd by man, the master of error, and we still seek vengeance and retribution for such offenses which is cruel and unusual.

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beautiful post mate!
I really like this point"
"True justice would be for the convict to restore the victim to the position they were in before the crime."

NOW were talkin'!

the cost of transgressing social rules needs to be greater than the reward of doing so.
Until that balance is worked out, (I don't have the answer) - we have a problem houston...

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