Dystopia often begins with the words "For the betterment of mankind"...

in #dystopia6 years ago (edited)


For those of you that have followed any of my writings over the past few years it should be very obvious that I am no fan of Socialism, Communism, and Marxism. I find myself compelled to write out against them several times throughout the years. Why? It should be painfully obvious how large swathes of the population seem to be buying into the same tired old sales techniques for these movements. The places that seem to resist it the most are places that are only now recovering from histories of communism, and/or socialism.

My biggest problem with them is that I believe good ideas do not require force. If your ideology cannot exist without forcing compliance out of portions of the population then it is not an idea worth pursuing as far as I am concerned.

So why write about this now?

I watched the Divergent, Insurgent, and Allegiant series again recently. I also watched all of The Hunger Games series recently. I noticed something this time around that I hadn't really noticed before.

What were the speaking and talking points of the evil tyrants controlling the world and that were driving the misery that was the dystopia?

They were all speaking from the socialist, Marxist, or Communist playbook.

Tell the people how they must help everyone else. Enslave their minds to the idea that they are obligated to providing for the other people, even if they themselves must struggle. As with real life historical analogs hiding behind this narrative were always a ruling class of people that lived off of the deluded masses efforts as the misled masses could virtue signal about doing their duty and think they are good people.

After that I found myself wondering how often our tales of dystopia, misery, and oppression are driven by masses that have been manipulated into thinking by sacrificing and forcing others to sacrifice they are making a better world. From my cursory analysis it seems like this is actually often the case.

There is a collection of logical fallacies that are used to manipulate the masses and bring these things to pass. One of the more common is The Argument from Authority fallacy. The conditioning to not question the validity of a statement or idea depending upon whether the person that presented it is seen as an authority figure. The information often can be quite incorrect, but still be treated as correct simply due to the person that presented it.

As the number of people believing a thing increase then soon the next logical fallacy trotted out to manipulate people is The Argument of Popularity fallacy (aka Bandwagon). This idea is often wrapped in terms and labels such as popular, consensus, etc. The idea is that the idea or concept must be accurate simply due to the number of people believing it is true. The problem here is that in reality a false thing remains false regardless of how many people may decide it is true. The inverse is also the case where things that are true remain true regardless of the number of people that believe it is false. Facts do not alter simply due to popular belief. Though the lie can often be what people choose to push forward.

If the education system can be significantly eroded such that people learn less and less about critical thinking and thus likely are no longer taught how to identify these fallacies it opens the door wide for two other rather pernicious fallacies.

The Argument from Emotion fallacy is such that because it feels right it must be right. It tends to lead people into believing what their emotions would indicate as opposed to what reason dictates. It can be wielded as a weapon and used to challenge dissenters as being evil or misguided because they disagree. This does not require facts. It is in this environment that one merely need accuse a target the population dislikes and it is treated as factual and true even if it was completely fabricated and not true. This is the realm where a person is guilty until proven innocent. It can be particularly nasty and become a place where a person is not allowed to prove themselves innocent. They are accused, pronounced guilty, and not allowed to even attempt to defend themselves. The masses of the mind controlled will have already made up their mind because it feels true.

The final fallacy I like to point out is known as the Appeal to the Stone. This is the act of labeling a concept as absurd, or a person as insane without requiring any supporting evidence to back up this claim. It is used as a dismissal. It could be something like a harrumph sound followed by a phrases such as "conspiracy theory", "heretic", "blasphemer", or "denier". It may even hijack labels that in the past have had meaning and use them so frequently and without thought that they lose actual meaning and become nothing more than a rapid appeal to the stone. Today these are often things such as "racist", "Nazi", "homophobe", "islamophobe", and "troll".

Troll is one that I find particularly annoying. It is casually used to describe someone that disagrees. It is more often than not used on someone when it doesn't apply. Trolling is not the same as disagreement. If you cannot get someone to agree with you and they persist in their ideas and challenges that does not make them a troll. In fact, in the act of labeling such people troll you are the one more akin to a troll. You see a troll really was once called a flamer, and other things in the early days of the internet. It is someone who says things to intentionally get a rise out of people. It has nothing to do with agreement or disagreement. They will seek to say the things they know will get a rise. I tend to be one of those that feeds trolls. Why? I want to make certain it is not simply disagreement. Most of the time that is all it is. One technique I use to make that final determination is to see what happens if I suddenly agree with them on something they have stated. If my agreement results in them suddenly changing their mind so they can remain in opposition then it is likely they are trolling. This isn't as common as people like to think. It happens, but more often than not someone calls another person a troll simply because that person challenges them and disagrees and they get frustrated they can't find a way to change the person's mind.

All of these fallacies are rampant in today's society. Those using them most often in the education system, and on media are steering people towards Socialism, Marxism, and Communism.

This is dangerous. I stand by the simple statement.

Good ideas don't require force.

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Now it is not even necessary for an idea to be popular for the popularity fallacy to be used, it is only necessary for the MSM to promote it.

For some strange reason, "public opinion" has nothing to do with the people (if it ever did), but rather "public opinion" is the opinion of the mass media.

The first documentary i watched on communism turned me off from spending too much time learning about socialism.

It seems to be simply a plebicide.. where the less succesful rise up against the succesful people and steal everything at gun point.. all in the name of being fair.

Everyone was not created equal.. so it expect the outcome for everyone to be the same is insanity.

The only way in this case everyone can be equal if the bar is set very low..

Equality of opportunity is something we can aim for. Equality of outcome though is impossible and a stupid thing to aim for. In other words, I agree with you.

Not sure whether there is anything to add, other than the fact that good ideas do require the right mindset to be accepted and majority of people raised in an environment that (possibly intentionally) is not fit to shape the right mindset. With the main concern being what beer to drink next Friday (not saying that is bad, but it doesn't make the world around you a good place to be)

do require the right mindset to be accepted

Which if circumstances are right you should be able to convince people without force.

If you think external factors make it so people won't believe a good idea then unfortunately you must work at fixing the external factors first.

As soon as a person thinks their idea is the GOOD idea but decides they must force others due to external factors interfering then they have stepped upon the slippery slope and no matter how good the idea may have seemed to them it is no longer good if they must use force.

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I agree with most of your article here, except for the idea that “Trolling is not the same as disagreement.” I think in most cases trolls will use disagreement or say things they know you will disagree with as part of their bag of tricks.

People who are not trolls generally tend to ‘respectfully disagree’ with others in order to maintain a civil level of discourse. Trolls, on the other hand, they will many times go out of their way to ‘disrespectfully disagree’ with an individual often serving up an extra large helping of ad hominem attacks to boot.

I hate to use the word trigger but it existed long before social justice warriors commandeered and redefined the term into a litany of micro-aggressions. There are some things that people generally do not do in order to be in harmony with others. The use of pointed ad hominem attacks is one of them and that’s the trollers go-to tactic.

The apparent intent when a troller uses that tactic is to ridicule, deride, mock, or trigger an individual instead of addressing the argument. The overall goal in such an endeavor is to elicit an emotional response and by getting the other person angry they feel as if though they’ve won something, or lorded over the person in some way shape or form.

More often than not Trolls can only be addressed with counter-trolling. If you’re lucky, you can raise them up to a place of logical debate as opposed to debating them on a lower level of discourse. But yeah, you are right in that not all disagreement is trolling. However, most trolls do use disagreement as a main tactic. It’s far easier for a troll to achieve their ends by disrespectfully disagreeing than it is for them to agree disrespectfully.

I think it can change radically from culture to culture, in the UK for example trolling can be imperceptible if done cleverly enough, this with the use of snide comments, backhanded compliments, or vague and indirect or almost imperceptible gibes.

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Nicely stated. I hear the "conspiracy theorist" label from time to time when discussing or presenting objectively demonstrable facts and have learned to shut it down hard and fast. In my line of work I have to be very, very careful not to present speculation as fact. So when such a phrase is dropped, be it in reference to myself or others in the conversation, I demand evidence or proof immediately of what was non-factual or mere speculation. And I don't let go, I don't let people slander others or make spurious claims because they think they know better. I hound them for any factual argument that can support the use of the term "conspiracy theory". If they can't deliver, I ask why they would make such statements when they have no information with which to back it up. Shame is, unfortunately, a useful teaching device at times. For the last few years I have gotten very good at this, it isn't hard, but it does take a bit of pluck not to be intimidated by an Appeal to the Stone, especially when dropped in front of an audience.

Nice. You are without a doubt the type of Educator that the world sorely needs many more of.

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