One can still hope though, right? It drives me nuts though, how much hypocricy there is in these insane leaders of both the so-called Democrats and Conservatives. I know otherwise very intelligent people on both sides of the aisle, I can usually find at least one or a few things we agree on in common, but in the end I still see a LOT of close-minded pig-headish blindness from both. Hence... Why I generally refuse to identify myself with the "DNC," even though I otherwise don't disagree with everything they supposedly stand for and why I always end up somewhere in the middle between progressive ideals and more libertarian ideals, because they don't always intersect. I know a lot of people who call themselves Libertarian who are much more "conservative" in the way that you describe -- thinking they have dominion over the earth... supporting the destroyers and refusing to ever consider change or a better way while simultaneously sincerely believing that they are somehow SAVING the world........ yeah. Sigh. Too much insanity in the world. But I can always hope that I might reach them someday.