Do you think Drug Wars Battles are spam?

in dpoll •  7 days ago

Do you think Drug Wars Battles are spam?


Talking with @hightouch from Drug Wars disagrees Drug Wars fights are spam, and I challenged him to make a poll. He wouldn't but challenged me to do it.

Here we are.

Speak up, are the Drug Wars fight posts spam or not?

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Of course they are spam. There is no quality behind these posts. Just some bullshit without any value.

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It wouldn't be as spammy if there was room to add a personal comment before posting the fight. Would be more fun and create some community engagement around the game as well :-)

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Yep. They could even add an alert system into the game with responses, upping the amount they earn by a few cents occasionally with every reply, while adding fun and drama to the game. That would add up, while adding fun.

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how about you 'spam' haters create your own platform and leave the rest of us alone instead of destroying steem value !?
there is more than 13000 accounts on @drugwars and 10 of you imbeciles should mind your own business .

Yup, 50/50.

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They are, but honestly so are a lot of the app posts. A lot of people just post their actifit count and don't say more than the necessary 30 words or whatever it is; a lot of people post an article with DLike and don't say much of anything about it such that I don't even know what it's really about. I have never clicked on a Drug Wars post, because I don't care about it, so I don't know what they're comprised of. I just know it clogs up my feed like Candy Crush on Facebook except on Facebook, I can block all posts from a given game without having to block the friend. I wish we could do that here.

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That's a condenser issue. You can do that on Steempeak.

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Oh, really? GTK! I will look into that, thank you.

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I think if we could add to the post, like a comment or explanation of why you attacked, but as is, it can be kinda of spammy.

Maybe if we could post different battles scenes instead of the same image over and over as well.

There should be sn optional app tag and the UIs can filter that tag by user preference. Apps that don't use the tag can enjoy some downvotes.

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It would be nice to have more UI options to filter your experience of how you want it. It doesn't eliminate the usage of Steemit Inc stake.

About 1,000 Drug Wars Fight posts are created daily and around 100 are upvoted with Steemit Inc stake via @fundition.

Most are stupid like:

This is because most just use it to get a vote or don't want to leak their army composition.

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So, not worth persisting in a chain. Better on a side chain or something.

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I think he was being more honest when he said he knew what it was going to say. Because he knows they're spam.

Of course, they don't have to be AS spammy. That's partially due to design decisions. But they are the definition of spam for most people...unwanted messages sent in bulk.

Of course they're not sent by a daemon, but spread out through individuals spamming their feed...but still. They're spam

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Crowd-sourced. Like a human botnet...

Did they remove the share to SteemIt button on DrugWars? I didn't see it today when I checked.

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This is a very engaging poll. 👍Also, DW posts are spam.

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Yes, spam. That being said, my impression is that the whales and OGs of the platform are ok with spam as long as the spammer has stake.

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I voted yes only because I believe they fit the definition of spam. I do want to point out that I don't see any issue with them nor believe that spam is an issue on the Steem blockchain.

spam : /spam/
noun
1.) irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.

I think most would agree these posts are irrelevant to most users. They are also sent over the internet to a large number of recipients by the nature of the Steem chain where a group of hundreds of witnesses will validate the transaction. This is why I voted yes.

That being said I don't agree with any notion that this is an issue or any different from any other post on Steem. 90% of people's posts are irrelevant to me but they aren't irrelevant to the poster which is all that matters. Since the posts are being created with SP that is being held by anyone making such a post it's their own right to determine how the associated RCs are spent.

As for those of use who don't find value in them there are better ways of addressing them. We didn't fix email noise issues by pointing out that spam was occurring and leaving it at that. Instead there were innovative monitoring placed that enabled users to only see messages they wanted to see. We need these same granular functions in a Steem condenser that would allow each user to determine what dapps they see updates from. This was one of the reasons I was so excited for Steeve App in hopes that we can eventually find that perfect balance.

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I’m just a silly pumpkin, but I’ll never upvote those posts unless I really really really like the profile that posted it and only if they refrain from filling they profile full of drug war posts.

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It looks lazy. I rarely see one with elaboration. Some users litter their profile with them.
It’s my new favorite way to see who I should unfollow from my saturated following list. (I fooled too many profile s when I first start Steem back in ol’ 2017.)

Thanks for asking this excellent question. I hate to discourage a game in the Steem platform, but there has got to be a better way for Drug Wars to exist. What incentives are there to post that spam? Greater rewards for the Drug War posts that users have elaborated upon/edited?

I don’t play it because it looks spammy.
(Sometimes an Actifit post can appear spammy too, but some users make edits that make the posts more interesting.) Can’t the drugwars posts be edited? Yes, right? Maybe greater incentives for those edited posts and not the regular ones?

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They are definitely spam posts. It would be fine if you could delete them after you don't want them posted anymore. This is blockchain though. It would be great if the posts received a guaranteed daily upvote from @drugwars or @fundition, even if it is less worth less than a penny. Drugwars can totally afford it, but they seem to just want free advertisement. Players keep DrugWars alive. It shouldn't be one-sided. I have a suggestion for DrugWars: they should give 100% weighted downvotes for all DrugWars battle posts that don't get their daily upvotes to minimize spam.

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actifit post are spam?

I hate seeing them on the Hot section one after another. They don't add any value to this platform.

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Most are spammy but it kind of depends on the situation.
If you really have a sick ass fight to share, then why not?
And i think people have freedom of speech, so also wouldn't flag them.

Spam or scam? Anyway, I don't play it

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If drugwars was generating revenue for the blockchain AND they were configured as replies instead of high level posts the answer would be no.

Any activity that bloats the blockchain without generating revenue (for the blockchain not the app) is spam in my opinion.

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I don't really mind them, but I do think they are a bit spammy.

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The irony of scrolling through hundreds of animalcontrol spam to read posts about Drug Wars spam

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It's filtered on Steemit.com and SteemPeak but Partiko still hasn't fixed it and nothing will stop @fulltimegeek from spamming.

Can you mute on Partiko?

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Not that I can see

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Ouch, that must suck. But then again Partiko does a good job filtering their own spam from Partiko users.

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Busy doesn't filter it either btw.

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They used to use Steemit Inc nodes but now they do not so they don't inherit the filtering.

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So aside from Partiko, he isn't actually targeting you, he's actually DoS'ing the network now because you aren't even experiencing the attack. Does Steem have any consensus rules for bad actor accounts attacking the blockchain? Is this something that could be resolved with a proposal system?

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He is targetting me, it has the side effect of impacting the network but his entire goal is to harass me with as little cost to him as possible with no regard to anyone else.

Right now we have no system in place to stop this sort of thing. He is using his RC that he is entitled to as per the current rules. It gets a slippery slope really fast when you start deciding who can do what.

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But he's really not. Excuse the analogy, but yes the tree is falling in the woods, but you're miles away in the city. That leaves the only vector being your knowledge it's occuring right? I am basically his attack vector now I just realized LMAO

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Umm the comments are specifically on my posts. As are the 11k flags a month from his 90+ bots.

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Okay, you're not seeing the nuance. That's cool.

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It's hidden on Steemit.com. But I agree - the amount of spam there is pretty pathetic.

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I couldn't vote yes fast enough

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This is some nightmare fuel

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the post is not spam however the content it is sometimes (battles w/o info)

They still around? I never played 😂

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    However, I also don't think they add any value and I wish they were not being upvoted.

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They should watch how @actifit handled it. Allow users to add some content to the post. Simply repeatedly saying that I fought so-and-so doesn’t provide any value. Except to Drug Wars.

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    It's probably more than spam, because it serves as free advertising for Drugwars, who, at this point, probably should be advertising on Steemit since the latter needs the revenue, rather than getting their advertising for free thanks to their users.

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Yes but they serve a purpose of giving players some sort of reward, the issue would be mostly solved if they made it comments on a thread instead like @musing used to handle questions/answers.

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I think that if drugwars just kept rewarding us like in the beginning, people wouldn’t be making these posts in hopes of a reward. The organic rewards were literally like 100X+ larger in the beginning 😕

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Omg... Completely yes (sorry, not logging in to dpoll at the moment...). They have completely trashed the gaming tag...

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Yes, the way they are now.. need to allow some commentary, and the option to change the pic, and maybe I dunno.. something more..

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Most of the time i would say yes . A good example for spam is also @animalcontrol i count over 40 Comments with the same youtube video in it when i read this thread on partiko .

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so it is 95% of the rest...

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You do know that because there is animosity, and a lot of it, going towards Drug Wars right now that the results will be overwhelmingly skewed towards them being SPAM.

Id wager that if you made a post right not whether the community should castrate @hightouch for the glorious fuck up Drug Wars has been, you would get comparable results to these.

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As they are, short posts and most do not edit the posts later, they are spam. And I'm slowly starting to believe that they are also a bit of a scam.

"Share your victory on our forum and obtain a chance to get rewarded."

I have no idea what are their criteria on voting those who share their fights here, but I have never gotten a single upvote from them. I did add content to the @drugwars post also, so that must be the criteria. They don't vote if the post isn't all about drugwars and as they want it to be. There is a "obtain a chance" phrase in there.

If the upvote from drugwars would be more like @actifit does, encouraging people to also add content, some of the posts might still be spam, but at least drugwars would try to do something to it. But as I said, I have no idea why they upvote some but not others. The content does not seem to play any part in it.

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I think one look at the new posts in #gaming says enough.

But in case it doesn't: I think it's definitely spam.

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actually i like free vote of drugwar but steem is first thing for me.

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ofc Drug Wars fight posts are spam!!!

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Stopped voting for these Battle post a few weeks back.

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I think yes espessialy when people use bots to put them on trending or rising page. For me they carry no meaning.

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If people added information to it (like most people do to an actifit post for example) ,then no. But as they are they have no value, and I skim past them. I have no idea if people who play the game are interested in these posts or not. Do they contain valuable info?

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well... i guess you could identify targets that way... but yeah, that's doesn't warrant flooding the chain with these screenshots

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I hope that with the pool results each post of drugwars battle result gets downvoted, given that's just complete and not necessary blockchain spam.

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even worse: incentivized spam

not drugwars posts per-se, though... I've seen some rare occasions where people go in and edit the post to be humorous or at least contain some additional thoughts or information. But the way they are posted in 99/100 cases it's just spam in hopes to farm the pantheon upvotes!

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Well, I never got any upvote from drugwars to the post so perhaps my post was something they did not want to see. :D That being said, no upvote from them, no posts about drugwars from me in the future. Didn't write that much of drugwars to that post, but then again, more than most do. :D

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