Do you know what work inmates in the U.S. are doing? Do you know how extensive it has become? I want to give you an example.

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I wrote a post about slavery and prison, and the 13th amendment earlier. It is an article on Con-sourcing that I have written similar posts to before. I think it is a VERY important issue for citizens of the United States to be aware of. Yet, I realize that even though I provide the links in some of my earlier posts most people won't follow them to see how crazy this has gotten.

This post I am going to focus on the Colorado Criminal Corrections Industry since I live in Colorado. Though as far as I have been able to tell programs like this exist in every state. I think you are about to have your mind blown when you see how much things have actually changed.

There are a couple of other points I'd like you to keep in mind as we explore this:

  • Marijuana has been legal in Colorado for a couple of years now. This means the flow of new inmates related to this should have stopped in our state. This would impact any recidivism studies related to crimes involving marijuana.
  • We've heard of sweatshops overseas and jobs being lost to out sourcing to other countries. People seem to be unaware that we've lost likely as many, and perhaps more jobs to prisons.
  • As we look at products and services, do not many of those sound like careers and jobs that people who are not in prison would like to do? In some cases people who are not in prisons can no longer expect to get such jobs. I think you'll quickly see this list is way bigger than expected, and is no longer pounding rocks and making license plates. In fact every time I look at this list it just gets bigger.

There are a couple of entities in the state of Colorado. One of them that is doing a better job of trying to distance their public appearance that they are actually a business that the labor is done by inmates is Juniper Valley Products which sometimes is abbreviated JVP.

I made a huge reply to @thatgermandude and I realized that the reply was worth of a post of its own with more effort put into it. So let us begin.

I am first going to visit https://www.coloradoci.com/

For posterity here is what their front page looks like today May 22nd, 2017:

They also have an interesting PDF they made for marketing purposes. That can be looked at through the "Who We Are Brochure" link on the left side (also in the screenshot above if the website happens to change). This document is from 2014, so any recidivism studies it references would not yet be impacted by the now legalized Marijuana.

That is all from their marketing brochure so of course it is going to spin it as a positive. If those things were the only factors then perhaps it would be. Sadly, they are not the only factors.

Let's take a look in that brochure the services and products they offer. Keep in mind those bullet points I listed earlier.


I found that Lobster Farming one to be interesting since we are a land locked state nowhere near a salt water environment. Do those look like the jobs you thought an inmate would be involved in? How many of those look like jobs someone not in prison might love to have?


Well there are the expected License plates. Look at that list, and read through it. Think about jobs that are no longer available. Think about us complaining about outsourcing out of the country. Perhaps they went instead somewhere like this:



That last is actually in Draper, UT but a place I worked for used to ship things to their facility so they are a good example.

I believe this list might be the most surprising. Here are a few I want you to think about. Prisoners doing this work while people outside of prison can't find a job, and those released from prison likely have a tough time finding work as well. If you can get jobs in some of these fields after prison, then these days prison might be a better deal than college.

  • Antique Vehicle Restorations
  • Auto Collision Repair/Painting
  • Culinary Arts
  • Delivery & Installation - think about that one very carefully
  • eBay Auto Sales
  • Fleet Services - aka truck drivers - let that sink in
  • Heavy Equipment
  • Information Technology
  • Landscape Maintenance & Beautification
  • Moving Service - So inmates might actually be moving things for people
  • Retail Outlets
  • Sales and Showroom
  • Reupholstery
  • Service Station
  • State & Federal Surplus
  • Tablet Service
  • Transportation & Tech Training
  • Web Design - web designers here, what do you think of inmates doing your job?

This is just Colorado, and it is only a cursory look.


You can dig much deeper and I have done so before and the more you look the more insane it might begin to look. I've seen enough prisoners doing work recent images, and I encountered unguarded inmate truck drivers in my past. To me they look to be modern day slave plantations. It made me seriously doubt slavery actually ended. We simply put it in out of the way buildings that the public doesn't get to see. It also explains why seemingly petty crimes and sometimes things that shouldn't even be crimes at all end up with long prison sentences. It also explains why the United States has the largest prison population on the planet. Some of them are the criminals that you think of when you think of prison. Most of them are actually nothing more than slaves, enslaved by the system.

They will get out of prison and find it difficult and increasingly so to find work. This becomes more and more the case as the prison industry acquires more and more of the business. Some of these things the prisons have mostly dominated so if they have training in them then the only place they can really find work is back in prison.

In addition, I don't know about you but that list of products and services which is not even close to comprehensive looks better than many vocational schools.

Think about it... really think about it... follow the money...

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Oh man, @dwinblood , prison inside a prison.
If you can get jobs in some of these fields after prison, then these days prison might be a better deal than college.

Skimmed an article last week on inmate work in Louisiana: they were in the Governor's mansion and other government buildings, cooking/cleaning/etc for basically nothing and accepted it as normal. Total slavery

This is totally just another form of Slavery. You get paid .25 cents an hour and they say, hey, but you are getting paid. Well, if you were to factor in inflation and who knows if they get taxed, it would equal 0. So yep, it's just straight up Slavery. I can't believe anybody would buy products from that place.

Every state has this in the U.S.

prison is by DEFINITION slavery.
It IS constitutional

Prison does not mean work. When you put them to work performing labor then yes it becomes slavery. You essentially have slave labor. This has not always been the case with prison. It sometimes is a hole that you're lucky you to get out of and you certainly don't want to return to.

I also didn't state it was not constitutional ANYWHERE. In fact I mentioned the 13th amendment specifically. :)

""Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

how's that again?

involuntary servitude pretty much means work...the 13th amendment specifically allows it.

prison is either a deterrent or a punishment....not a country club.

slavery nor involuntary servitude

You are being selective. There are two choices there. Again I didn't say ANYWHERE in ANY of these documents that the constitution does not allow it.

So I'm not sure what you are getting at.

In fact I've pretty much indicated it hasn't gone away. It has just been shifted.

So not a single time in ANY of my posts on this subject have I stated it was NOT allowed, or NOT constitutional.

In fact that has been what I am getting at. It is allowed.

There are an increasing number of people that return to prison intentionally. I've met at least three myself. One guy went to a cashier in a bank and said, I have a gun, give me 50 cents, then he went to call his family with the 50 cents telling them that he was going back to prison.

For some people it is a deterrent. For others it is more like a country club to them than life outside the prison ends up being. It really depends upon the person.

My point has also been that we have slavery. It didn't go anywhere. We just have to have stupid laws to convict people and it is alive and well.

We also complain about outsourcing while many people have no idea how many jobs have been going to the prisons. That list I shared is way bigger than it was in 1990s. It grows significantly every year.

of course I'm being selective.
duh.
the technical term is "thinking"
if a felon views prison as a country club...then it's not having any effect.
execute him.

Is it called "thinking" when you act like the person you are speaking to said something they didn't and that thing is what you choose to focus on? DUH

imprisonment is by definition legal slavery.
imprisonmnet serves one function.
deterrance...the idea is to get the idea across that the prisoner should NOT do what he did to get in prison..again.
that's called punishment.
30 yrs at hard labor...is punishment.

if a prisoner is not responsive to punishment..
execute him...not for what he did...but for being the type of person that he is.

imprisonment is by definition legal slavery.

Actually BY DEFINITION it is not.

Imprisonment doesn't have to do ANYTHING with labor. It simply is removal from society, and restrictions.

Slavery is similar but it implies forced labor. Imprisonment does not have to have a labor component at all so BY DEFINITION it has nothing to do with slavery. Slavery can have something to do with imprisonment, but they are not synonymous.

I can find no definition for imprisonment that mentions labor, or slavery. They mention confinement, or to put into a prison.

And again... this still addresses nothing I wrote about in my post.

30 yrs at hard labor...is punishment.

The labor is no longer hard. That type is still there. The labor has encompassed all fields now. Maybe go back and read my blog post.

30 yrs at hard labor...is punishment.

Also no where in any of my blog posts on this subject have I indicated we should NOT have prisons. I've instead focused on corruption elements in it. How many of the slaves are such for "victimless" crimes with long prison sentences.

Plus, most of the labor is NOT HARD LABOR.

I understand the 13th amendment was worded the way it was so the hard labor was possible.

Without that all you have is true imprisonment, throw them in a hole, feed them, let them get some exercise and that is it. People decided that was inhumane and it keeps getting SOFTER and softer. In some cases it is more attractive than the world outside of prison depending upon a persons situation.

If we are going to have labor then it should be HARD LABOR and not the jobs that people who are not in prison would want to have. The jobs should not be attractive, and entertaining to the inmates.

This is what they are now, which I covered and showed proof of in my blog post, as well as previous ones.

If prison were HARD LABOR it might be a deterrent. Now it is just another form of outsourcing.

"Execute him". So you are thinking? Not going to stop to wonder why someone that was in prison would want to go back to prison?

It seems prison should be some place that people don't want to go back to. The fact that they do should be a problem.

You'll need to start executing a lot of people and yes that could become a deterrent for people wanting to go back.

Yet it still doesn't really address a damn thing I said in my post. ;)

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