Anything the State can do, we can do better... And just because statists want it, doesn't mean anarchists don't want it

in anarchy •  8 days ago

Anarchists so often hear the same ridiculous questions/arguments from statists: "but without government, who will ______?" That blank is filled with all sorts of things, from building roads to delivering mail to educating children.


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With a little rational thought and some moral consistency, these questions clearly dissolve into non-issues. Most of the things the "government" currently claims responsibility for are already done by private corporations, with government simply being the ones stealing money to pay for it. Even if that weren't the case right now, it is obvious that if we can accomplish something in spite of bureaucracy, nepotism, and violence, then we can certainly do an even better job through voluntary interaction.

The Inverse

What I've found quite interesting is how often anarchists, even extremely intelligent ones, use this same faulty reasoning in reverse. If authoritarians do, have, or tried some technique/tool/model at one point or another, then it's automatically wrong and violent. This is the exact same non-logic as the statist is using; somehow assuming that if government can do/has done it, then that means it could never be done without the violence of government.


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For example, let's look at the concept of UBI (Universal Basic Income). Obviously, in the current world there are multiple nation-state governments who have implemented UBI systems, using violence as their tool. Does that mean that UBI cannot be put into place except by state violence? I would say that it certainly does not, and many would agree:

This same approach of looking at the objective tool/technology and removing it from the state paradigm, then seeing how we can accomplish it, can be applied to many, many things: universal healthcare, dispute resolution, limitation of corporate/pooled-capital power, meeting the needs of every human on the planet.


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Remember, it's the authoritarian part that's the problem

I'm sure you've heard this, perfectly mirrored, conversation at some point, and it seems to shine some light on the underlying issue that I'm addressing here. Anarchists who prefer a more competition-based economic model (capitalism) are quick to defend their model and remind attackers that what we've seen in the world isn't actually capitalism, but "crony capitalism" or corporatism (read: authoritarian capitalism). From the other side of the aisle, anarchists who prefer a more cooperative economic model (generally mutualists & syndicalists) get attacked as communists & socialists, and have to explain how communism (classless, stateless, moneyless society) was never attempted, and that the socialism we've seen historically has been authoritarian socialism.

Though this same defense is used by both sides, neither of them is (generally) willing to acknowledge the other's statement, and both often miss the point that the economic model is MUCH less important than the use of violence/authority to accomplish those goals.


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I was trying to find just a simple right vs left and authoritarian vs anarchist graph, but this one served the purpose and is pretty entertaining too :-P

I'm not going to go into the left vs right side of things at all, I'm simply using this as an example of how often often these things are clearly just emotion/belief-charged arguments, not founded in logic or principles.

Synthesis, compassionate listening, and having an open mind

As you may know, one of my big focuses recently has been on finding synthesis (it always kind of was, but now I'm much more aware of it) between seemingly disparate concepts & approaches. I have this knowing that as the human race continues its evolution and expansion of consciousness, there will be more and more new ideas, new approaches, new models to implement. Certainly, for any individual, the responses available are always limited by experience, knowledge, understanding of the systems involved, and emotional maturity... I would hold that the same is true of any group of humans.

One of the big things that I see limiting people's ability to "try on" new ideas is a limit of potential realities experienced. As a child, I read science fiction & fantasy almost constantly, and because of that, even at a young age I had already experienced hundreds of different worlds, cultures, and socio-economic systems. Fiction, mythology, parable; these are extremely powerful tools to expand our mind, and to keep our imaginations active & smoothly functioning.


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At some point, I will be doing an extremely large post on all of the best anarchist fiction I've found, but for now I'll just recommend that everyone read Iain M. Banks absolutely mind-blowing Culture series. These science fiction books are not only excellently written and wildly entertaining, but they are a potent looking-glass into a potential anarchist future for humanity.

Here is an assortment of my other posts on these similar topics: opening our minds, disengaging from identifying ourselves with adjectives, and moving human understanding forward.



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Excellent post, Kenny. I really love how your approaching this search for synthesis. :)

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Thanks Luke! Working on a name right now for a podcast I'm starting, focusing on bringing clarity & new ideas out of these sorts of conversations. So far they're all far too alliterative haha. Philosophical Fusion I really like, but people keep telling me not to alliterate so much.

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Haha I empathize with your problem, I always name things so overly poetic. I called my old radio show Aural Linguistics, and a D&B night I did Positive Friction, a couple examples X ) Why can't I just call it Pool Party or something normal people will remember lol

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I immedietly started thinking of names like Philo Funk hahah and then was like, I'm not helping haha

There are other reasons that I have a problem with UBI besides state violence, but I agree that if experiments are being done via voluntary means, there is no moral injection to it, just a utilitarian one.

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Would you mind discussing what your other problems with the concept are?

Nice observation. In my view: "That government is best which governs least." Henry David Thoreau – 1817 - 1862

Can't go wrong with Iain M. Banks!

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SOOOOO GOOOOOD!

I'm like 4 books into the Culture and I've been having trouble finding the next book, though I have a few after it haha

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Well, you definitely don't need to read them in order, except for reading Look to Windward sometime after Consider Phlebas.

What are your feelings on ebooks? I feel like a Kindle would be great for you, considering how much you travel. (Travel was a nightmare for me book-wise before I got my kindle.)

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I know I don't have to, but I do generally prefer to read things in chronological order. If nothing else, to be able to watch the progression of the writer's mind.

I tried a kindle at one point, but I have trouble reading a screen for more than 15 minutes or so.. Hence my interaction with the internet being almost exclusively creating content haha

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I figured out a little late that when I read ideas out of chronological order I robbed certain ones of their genius. Hard to do when it is all sort of presented buffet style, but something I'm more aware of now

Excellent post. That Gandhi quote.. Doesn't that break it down. If you want to live in peace, government has to go because it IS violence and it will never ever let us live in peace.

Government is an antiquated idea whose time is over and I thank all who shine a light on this fundamental truth.

Truth is the only rightful authority over us and
"The only true law is that which leads to freedom."
~Jonathan Livingston Seagull by Richard Bach

Go @adamkokesh who's running for "President" to end the Federal Government. That's about the only thing that could get me to vote.

Great post @kennyskitchen. I was one of those people a few years ago and now I finally feel awake.

I found anarchopulco this year was a great place to meet like minded souls. Hopefully I will see you there next year.

There's a lot of information in this post so it will take some time to digest it all!

Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work!

Cheers

Alan

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Thanks @nalabra!

Isn't it wonderful to see, to experience, how quickly the human mind/consciousness can expand and explore?

I will definitely be there, as well as at @anarchaforko pt. 2!

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See you there!

Is there a difference between governance and government?

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Not much :-/

Governance:

late 14c., "act or manner of governing," from Old French governance "government, rule, administration; (rule of) conduct" (Modern French gouvernance), from governer "to govern, rule, command" (see govern). Fowler writes that the word "has now the dignity of incipient archaism," but it might continue useful in its original sense as government comes to mean primarily "the governing power in a state."

Government:

late 14c., "act of governing or ruling;" 1550s, "system by which a thing is governed" (especially a state), from Old French governement "control, direction, administration" (Modern French gouvernement), from governer "to govern" (see govern). Meaning "governing power" in a given place is from 1702. Compare governance.

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So how does a business operate without governance? Or Steemit?

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Yes, governance means rules, government means rulers. Rules are fine as long as we are agreeing to them voluntarily, rulers are also fine if we agree to them voluntarily. For example, there are rules and rulers (government and governance) on steemit. But both are fine because we can choose to be here and be governed by these rules and rulers.

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How does this work when I am born into a State with preexisting rules and governance? I have no real choice. My "choice" is to accept that governance or go somewhere else. Governments typically last longer than a lifetime and the consent to govern could be many generations old.

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That is the primary argument against our current governments. They force you to be governed just because you were born into their borders. Hopefully someday we can work to a point where we don't need coercive governments anymore and all our "rulers" will be chosen by ourselves voluntarily.

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But we are always born into the existing set of rules whether those of a centralized government or a small tribe of hunter gatherers. There may have been a time when a person could leave their tribe and strike out alone, but that time is long gone. And even then, joining a new tribe would have required consent to their rules.

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Yeah, I don't know what the answer is, or if it is even possible but that is what I believe is the morally correct way to have a government. @bitnation might be a step in the right direction though.

Very good points, Kenny. Upvoted!

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Thank you Terry!

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Very nice post.

I am curious about the "Liberty Professionals" badge, is there a page for the group or a list of people involved? Also checked out bipcot, that's great stuff.

You may want to consider using the #informationwar (of @informationwar) as a tag, there are many libertarians/voluntaryists/anarchists associated with the project.

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I got it from the guys in the Liberty Professionals room on SteemitChat. @finnian and @grow-pro run the room :-)

I'll check that out and maybe add it to my list of tags. Usually the hard part is narrowing it down to 5 haha!

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I know, getting down to 5 tags is always a challenge. Checking out more of your work, I like your approach.

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Hey, thanks for the tags.

Yes, Liberty Professionals is an idea myself and @grow-pro have hoped to further. There's no club or official organization. We just hope that people using the tag and title are seeking to further individual liberty. I call those people my friends and Liberty Professionals.

My PI business has the same name, and I own the domain for it as well. Anyone wanting to use the title is free to use it though of course. There are no IP issues at all. It's a good term for a lot of what many of us are doing, and the idea was also to have a LinkedIn and Craigslist type community for liberty lovers under the same name.

Steemit made those ideas moot. We can do it all here! :)

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You may want to check out @informationwar as well, I think it would appeal to you. I am reworking my signature and would be interested in using a libertyprofessionals badge, as I am trying to slowly network most of the smaller voluntaryist/libertarian diaspora on Steemit. Could you point me to where I could find one (without a username on it)? Web search no returns unfortunately. Followed.

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@grow-pro makes them. :) Tagged, brother!

There is a war on consciousness happening and it’s so true that the government keeps us suppressed with money to keep us from working on ourselves and reaching our full potential as powerful manifesting beings which as healed self governing individuals would make their role obsolete.

There is an important alternative idea, where production resources are essentially unowned or self-owned (via smart contract locked funds). There is no more need for a basic income as they will just provide the services that can be automated at almost no cost.

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Sounds similar to a resource-based economy model, which I love as part of the approach.

It's interesting too, because I almost talked about RBE and how it can be applied voluntarily & decentralized, but is often dismissed by lots of anarchists (both left & right)

Another upvote for you buddy!

People have been told so often and so loudly that they are inheriently lazy, that they can't see how everything of value has come from them. I feel like I live in a mental hospital sometimes its so disconnecting. The fact more recent idea that scientists only invent for profit, that healers only maximize numbers, etc has strangled reason EVEN with instant and easy access to almost all of human information is next level crazy-making haha