Why Bringing Back The Gold Standard Is Not The Solution To Current Day Economic Problems

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Why Bringing Back The Gold Standard Is Not The Solution To Current Day Economic Problems

I have waited a while to talk about this topic because I know many on steemit hold the completely opposite opinion, but hear me out before you decide that im wrong. Returning to the gold standard has recently come up after years of money printing via Quantitative Easing and fears of a devalued dollar. While the fears of a devalued dollar are legitimate, 90% of economists believe that returning to the gold standard would create much more problems than it would help. The gold standard had its time and place, but when we started to face problems modern industrialized societies face, it was time to abandon it.

Before I go into the negatives of a gold standard, I will go into the positives. A gold standard would force governments to be held accountable with borrowing and spending because they would need to pay it back in a currency that wouldn’t devalue as much or at all. A gold standard would mean that a fixed asset would represent the currency you are using so rather than relying on a government to have a sound financial policy, the market self regulates itself through basic economic theory. Finally it would also mean that countries would be highly incentivized to export goods rather than import goods in order to capture a larger amount of the semi fixed asset. These reasons can be beneficial depending on what you want from your government, but there are also negatives to each of those benefits. So now onto why it is a bad idea.

In mainstream Keynesian economics, there is a belief that governments can in the short term provide economic benefit and ease burdens on an economy through spending. Many don’t agree with this, but there is very good proof that without FDR abandoning the gold standard, the US might have not transitioned out of the great depression as well as it did. Much of the problem with the great depression was caused because of the gold standard. When a government’s currency is backed by a fixed asset that is traded and available in the open market, they lose all ability to control interest rates, which if high interest rates align with an unexpected economic downturn, disastrous results occur. This is exactly what we saw during the great depression. Interest rates were too high and rather than expand businesses cut back workers, infrastructure and ultimately shrunk.

There was nothing the government could do because monetary and fiscal policy controls were lost due to a rising gold price. It was only once the standard was partially abandoned that the government could invest in infrastructure, hire unemployed workers and start controlling interest rates. Sure in the long run the market would have corrected itself, but as Keynes is famous for saying “in the long run we’ll all be dead”.

I believe that as little as possible government intervention is ideal, however an someone trained in Keynesian economics, I also believe that there are times the government has to step in and provide some relief. The problem comes when the government starts providing too much relief, that they don’t let the market adjust, like what is currently going on in the world. The problem isn’t fiat currency, it is that the government is abusing the monetary policies it has at its disposal. Why I think we are heading for a massive correction in the market is because the government has been pumping near 0% interest loans into the economy and it has become addicted. If we raise rates, the market growth will stop and that scares them. Like ripping off a band-aid, we need to do it fast and whether the downturn or else it just gets worse.

If we have other places we can store our hard earned dollars, then fiat should not be a problem. Today we can invest in fixed assets, commodities, stocks ect. If the government sticks to a policy of very low inflation, economic performance can be boosted, new business can be created and we all benefit. We need to be financially competent to know that keeping money in a bank account or in a vault isn’t the way to store your wealth.

What we really need is to hold our government more accountable for the bad monetary and fiscal policies it employs, but honestly im not sure how we do that. Both sides of the isle are choosing extreme solutions to avoid short term economic distress. The best monetary policy is one that does little when it is not needed, to the point where you don’t even realize it. Like I said before there are times the government can step in to ease a burden, but it should only be momentarily and not something that is persistent.

With the amount of debts we have today and with no real ownership of gold anymore in the United States, bringing back the gold standard would hurt the economy much more than it would help it. Fiat money will never die, the point is to offer alternative currencies that can work along side fiat to help regular people save and avoid inflation. Like I also said in the beginning, much of this will also depend on the kind of government you want. In theory no government intervention and completely free markets are ideal, but that will never happen in our lifetimes. If we want to look at the here and now, we need to stop zero interest rates and slowly ween our economy off the stimulus it has been receiving for almost the last decade at this point. The longer we wait, the bigger the bubble burst is going to be.

-Calaber24p

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You know who benefits from a gold backed currency? People already rich enough to own gold. It doesn't help the 99%.

Dunno who told you that, but it's not true. Think of it this way. What options do you have to influence monetary policy at this point? You didn't elect Yellen, she doesn't have to answer to any of us, or our elected officials, and she's not accountable. The people rich enough to horde tons of gold are already insanely rich anyway, so no difference there.

But going with at least SOME gold backing would be like injecting some reality and honesty into the system. You can't print your way out of a problem at the expense of the purchasing power of the 99%. And you can't hurt retirees and savers (the people who least deserve to be subjected to these "public wealth extraction" schemes) with near zero interest rates. More accurately, you wouldn't be able engage in this kind of thinly-veiled criminal activity (at least immoral if not illegal, since they buy whatever legislation they want) without at least some expectation of consequences.

For everyone against the gold standard, don't you guys understand that it's one of the few ways we have to place some kind of restriction on them? Because as of now, they are bending us over and financially pillaging our asses with impunity. And why not? WE CAN'T DO SHIT ABOUT IT. They have all the control, and yet you guys are okay to let them keep imposing this fiat system based on "trust".

And for what? Bullshit abstractions like ".. the flexibility is essential in our current day economic model," from our knowledgeable and non-talking-out-of-their-ass-author here? Really calaber24p?? That's what's essential? So how's that flexibility working out now? Cuz we're almost a DECADE IN WITH EMERGENCY MONETARY POLICY AND WE STILL CAN'T RAISE RATES A GODDAMNED QUARTER OF ONE PERCENT, SO PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ALL OF US, HOW ESSENTIAL WAS THIS "FLEXIBILITY" IN GUTTING AND SELLING OUT OUR COUNTRY TO THE BANKERS?

I hope t God that you understand fully that you're bullshitting everyone and don't actually understand economics, because if this is at all representative of the "more knowledgeable than average" segment of the US population, then I say fuck it. Bankers have already won and we, as a country, basically deserve what's coming to us.

Maybe try talking to your people that living further inland. Most of America is just done, as in given up. I think that despair and lack of opportunity is a more realistic explanation than "they just don't want to work" when considering that 94,184,000 Americans are not even in the workforce. C'mon guys, that's almost half the working-age population. Shit's getting serious for the country even if it's not noticeable in your own neighborhood yet. Please take the time to study up and really try to understand as much as possible about our current situation, or at least be more discerning of the material you decide to publish. It's hard enough for struggling Americans to stay informed even when the right information is out there.

Rich enough to own an army.

100% agreed, as I have covered multiple times. The Gold Standard has been written into the working papers of the central core of central bankers the Group of 30. They wrote and I covered this awhile ago, that they wanted a return to a gold standard as they had in the beginning of the Federal Reserve model, because they have bought up the gold and now they want to use it for control. See this blog post with my video I made on the Group of 30: https://steemit.com/politics/@titusfrost/the-group-of-thirty-the-real-illuminati-exposed

Furthermore, countries that have tried to tie their central banking systems to gold and even oil, are being sucked dry of these resources for half their value, look at Venezuela, my blog with video on the situation there is highly praised for accuracy: https://steemit.com/illuminati/@titusfrost/how-the-illuminati-destroyed-venezuela

Dude, really? I hope you know it's really not helpful to anyone who has an interest in these topics to disseminate bad information just because you're too lazy to actually get educated/informed, or because you think it's okay to draw unsubstantiated conclusions on issues which you have poor knowledge and understanding of and pass it on to spread ignorance and misinformation.

First, regarding global gold supply, where did you get that information, and did you even bother to check if it corresponded to any numbers derived from reality? Or if it even made sense? Because as far as most people who track gold know, China (government plus public holdings) should have the most gold right now. They've been importing most of the global supply for a while now, and they're the number 1 producer in the world, and haven't exported any. So...unless the Group of 30 includes the Chinese Communist Party and about 1 billion other Chinese, I don't see how you could have come to that conclusion other than you kinda just made it up.

Regarding this:

because they have bought up the gold and now they want to use it for control

what does that even mean? control over...? I mean, at this point, they have COMPLETE control over monetary policy, and most likely much more if you want to include whoever they've bought in DC (probably most of them). Or are you implying that they'd get control over us, the people? As if they don't already have millions and billions of dollars worth of assets more than you? Who cares whether it's real estate or businesses or gold or fiat, it's all the same to them and us.

The Gold Standard would be the best thing for the people, since unaccountable and unelected private groups like the Federal Reserve wouldn't be able to do stuff like, destroy the currency through inflation like they have for the past 45 years, ROBBING citizens of purchasing power, or keep interest rates so low that retirees and savers who were depending on some semblance of a return to normal interest rates for the past several years are going to be facing financial RUIN because they've nothing to show for their years of work and paying into the system, or their financial discipline. It's a lot harder to do stuff like that when your money is tied to something REAL like GOLD. See? Easily verifiable information, and passes a basic test of making sense--that's how you should go about making assertions that have a value better than worthless.

And as much as I love conspiracy theories, I gotta disagree here about the group of 30...any group that could even remotely be considered near the top of the hierarchy, you will never hear about. Any group you know of is either lower down on the ladder or a distraction. Especially a group that small. Assming they're serious about achieving their goals, which it seems like they are, and assuming they're the ones in charge, which it seems like you're implying, how does it make sense for them to take the risk of allowing their group to be publicly identified?? And to let people know when they meet up for photo ops, so that a single crazy could take them out in a single BOOM?? "Yea, we've kept it under wraps for centuries, but we really just thought it was worth it to get a picture of the whole gang, you know?" If you're gonna be too lazy to research or check sources, than at least use your head and apply some common sense.

And finally,

Furthermore, countries that have tried to tie their central banking systems to gold and even oil, are being sucked dry of these resources for half their value, look at Venezuela
Again, CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE SOME GODDAMNED SENSE?? Let's say your country is abundant in and can only export only 1 resource. Is there really a choice being made to be "tie their central banking systems" to that resource? No. And that aside, what are you even talking about with the tying Central Bank system to bullshit bullshit bullshit. Seriously, are you getting paid to spread disinformation? Because frankly, that would be infinitely easier to accept, than having to believe a normal adult that is not a psychopath and has what could minimally qualify as a "normal" sense of morality, is okay with just blatantly making things (not very well at least) without any regard to how it might affect other people, or that anyone with so little brain activity somehow managed to post something online, even a post as terrible as yours.

Let's get some basic things straight here.

  1. Their currency was pegged to the US dollar
    *I don't understand how this could be misconstrued in any way. It's not complex, or hard to verify; would literally have taken you less than a minute to vet.
  2. They're not being "sucked dry", they're selling whatever they have because they're broke. I'm not sure if there is any possible way to make that simpler or clearer, so take your time.
  3. Since you decided to use a nonsensical sequence of words in place of explaining how they got into this mess, I'll assume you don't actually know. In addition to low oil prices and lack of rain for which their power generation relies on, a major factor was irresponsible government expenditure, which, WOH SURPRISE SURPRISE, is facilitated by a monetary system that isn't tied to anything tangible. And what a coincidence, all the other countries going by the petrodollar standard are in the exact same situation!! I mean, that's what would be expected in the absence of sound money, but...but....THEY WOULD HAVE CONTROLLED US WITH THEIR GOLD!!! WE COULDN'T TAKE THAT CHANCE!
  4. Have you maybe considered the tiniest possibility that a dictatorial socialist government might not be the absolute best system to grow an economy in? Or did that completely escape your undying devotion to maintaining exemplary journalistic standards?

Sorry to be so blunt, but if you're not going to expend basically ANY effort to contribute to the right side, then why don't you try SHUTTING THE FUCK UP. Or take the time to either get smart or get knowledgeable, ideally both. Aside from those few suggestions, have a wonderful evening and spectacular weekend!

Lolz, wow you are an asshole. You think that by throwing a bunch of insults my way and using ad hominem arguments you have won? By reading your comment, you clearly have NO FUCKING CLUE what I am talking about. I addressed like 90% of your bullshit in the linked videos, both of which have thousands of views and are far more liked than disliked. Don't let that bother you dude. I would have actually written you a real response if you had taken the time to look through the information instead of personally attacking me because you dislike my opinion.However you decided to get all butthurt, and act like a four year old who watches too much TDV, please fill this form out and mail it to someone who gives a fuck about your opinion because it ain't me...

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Wasn't it the FED who artificially kept rates high before the Great Depression?

Yes they did in the beginning to stop rampant speculation on the stock market, but couldnt bring the rates back down when the gold price went through the roof during the worst part of the depression.

I think at some point people will start to disbelieve the paper currency. It is already happening. Then this will force a huge correction.

Possibly, but I think the masses really just follow what they government tells them to.

I agree! Although that may not be the popular opinion on this particular site. Not being on the gold standard gives a country a lot more flexibility...

Agreed, the flexibility is essential in our current day economic model.

It is not gold that is the key, it is getting rid of the unholy alliance of government/centralbank money creation and taxation enforced by threat of violence to create artificial demand fir this currency that is the problem. Free markets will create the best form of money if it is at all needed

the money system is and will be a tool for the mighty and greedy and all others will be ruled with this tool . and i think the trick is to setup the rules evey time new if before some thing went wrong with intention, this will swap more and more money to the riches.
btw bad english sry

Why Bringing Back The Gold Standard Is Not The Solution To Current Day Economic Problems
I have waited a while to talk about this topic because I know many on steemit hold the completely opposite opinion

I'm not sure that's true, but I can't speak for everyone else. I'm an unyielding critic of the current monetary system and don't favor a gold standard. I support whichever currency or currencies the market chooses to use. If that happens to be gold, only then would I think that's what we should use. However, even then I wouldn't favor a "gold standard" because I don't support government/central bank control of the money supply.

Maybe I just assumed, but I have seen many "lets bring back the gold standard comments on economic posts here" It was probably unfair to judge everyone in one statement.

Fiat money will never die
Brilliant, just brilliant. Does it feel real good stroking that desperate ego of yours when putting out fluff pieces like this garbage? Last I checked, fiat has an average lifespan of about 40 years, whereas gold and silver have worked as SOUND MONEY for thousands of years. By the way, we ditched sound money in the early 70s, so guess who's overdue for a bit of dying soon?

What we really need is to hold our government more accountable for the bad monetary and fiscal policies it employs, but honestly im not sure how we do that.

I'm pretty sure stating the obvious won't have a HUGE impact. I dunno, keep trying it and hope that it magically gets better I guess? I mean that's basically the entirety of your analysis right? Seriously, to anyone out there with a reading comprehension level of at least "minimally adequate" please point out anything in the post that could even be spun to qualify as a "possible attempt at suggesting a direction that could technically lead to an action resembling a solution", and I will personally deliver to you a genetically-engineered unicorn that pisses oil and shits gold. Or whatever. Hope ya'll get some ass tonight and sleep tight! 'Murica...HELL YEA! Ungh * violent pelvic thrusting ensues * HELL YEA....mmm...yea...

The gold standard has long been over.

yes , and at this point the paper fraud gone skyrocket

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