Thank you Craig!

in abuse •  4 months ago

This is all voting power you can't use to promote your pump and dumps with @haejin while getting $20K/day.
Feel free to continue.

You upset your cult minions death threats, dox threats, and downvotes haven't swayed my course?

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When I saw flags and negative comments in @haejin posts I realy thought that he was atacked unfairly. I went deeper to find out why is that, there must be some reason to it. More I thought about it, more it didn’t make sense. So I checked @haejin’s if he rewarded his Steemers and I couldn’t find one. Now I completely understand why he is under attack. It’s actualy you guys who are the good guys. I hope that all his followers will get it push him to what is right.

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hey @milano1113 not everything is at it seems

I suspect that the account up voting him is part of a plan to justify other attacks for the purpose of increasing the amount of payout received by Reward Pool Mining Bot Farms.
There was an idea floated by a witness a short while ago to change the rules about what happens with the amount being downvoted which has some merrit.
The basic idea is to destroy the reward in the @null account rather than redistributing it back to to reward pool.

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This is IMO an excellent idea. Then these commies wouldn't be able to play re-distributing overlords. I really wish this idea would get good attention.

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Why can’t they change it than?
It’s flaw, are they waiting until there is a war?
It will be too late.

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That is a great question that may have many answers.
Some people favor short term gains over long term stability and growth.
Others may see the world changing potential that platforms like Steemit hold, and want to end that possibility before it becomes unstoppable.
I think that burning the rewards being disputed is much safer than redistribution.

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I believe that Steemit will figure out what’s right for All Steemers unless the government gets involved, but it’s a different story. Something gets too big and all of the sudden...

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Yea If we start to get this right it could easily become unstoppable

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They all attacking me because I showed how one person was giving him $20K/day and I look like an easy target.

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I hope you guys will straighten this out.
I’m your follower and I realy respect what you do.

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Thanks, I suspect they will continue to flag me, I knew @ranchorelaxo was going to step in because his cult followers were not scaring me away with their threats, harassment, and downvotes.

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And I also believe that downvoting should go through third party. It’s a flaw.

@themarkymark Hello friend, I have a problem, I transferred 2 SBD to the publication https://steemit.com/introduceyourself/@djnial/help-as-our-currency-was-devalued but the robot never arrived

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Responded to the other thread you posted it in.

@themarkymark friend, a question, how can I get some benefit with the bot, because sometimes I lose 0.500 of what I have invested, they take 2 $ of healing

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our minimum bid is 1 SBD

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@themarkymark I can transfer myself to the publication or I must be someone else, with the robot, sometimes I lose 0.500 that I have invested, why does that happen?

Sorry for the ignorance but I'm trying to understand how these bots are working on this platform. What's the point on down voting someone else's post? Thought the intent of this platform was to help one another out? How does down voting one another help anyone out?

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They basically are mad that I provided information showing their abuse of the reward pool. Instead of doing something about it, they are attacking me and taking away any rewards I get for my posts. Think of it when a 2-year-old gets a toy taken away, they kick, scream, and cry. The difference is, he has a big hammer to do damage to my rewards. He basically downvoted me about $1000, but that's $1000 his cult can't rape the reward pool with, so it's a good thing.

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Hi @tspink when you down vote or flag a post that reward goes back to the reward pool to be redistributed.

If you flag enough you can increase the payout for a smaller number of accounts which favors the people using Reward Pool Mining Bots.

If we change the rules and burn the rewards in the @null account rather than redistributing them it will take away the incentive for scams like this to continue.

I suspect that the extreme payouts being given in this case are nothing more than an orchestrated attempt to justify flagging attacks for the purpose of increasing the payout of the rich and infamous

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If that were the case, Haejin could just deny payouts and be done with the whole thing. Or publicly say he won't accept upvotes from rancho...and that would solve the whole thing, but Rancho is his proxy and the two of them are working together. This is evident on every post he's made in the last day or two.

I suspect that the extreme payouts being given in this case are nothing more than an orchestrated attempt to justify flagging attacks for the purpose of increasing the payout of the rich and infamous

There, fixed that for you. You really think the people who benefit minimally and indirectly have more to gain than the people who are actively making 100s of thousands with projections to make millions?

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He said he is rich and doesn't care about rewards, he also said if @randowhale declined he would. I don't see that ever happening. Instead, he will take his $10-25K USD/day, and flag anyone who disagrees. No one will step in to stop him and the innocents will get punished.

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Haejin could just deny payouts

I don't think i would deny the payout lol what about you ?

I really like your other point as well. It would be interesting if we could find a reliably accurate means of measuring the percentage of the reward pool being downvoted every day and historically. The rules could be changed so the downvotes are burned not redistributed and measure the outcomes. If there is no change in behavior over time that would most likely prove that i was wrong. Nobody gets it right all the time. And its great to be able to measure things accurately so we can find out what is going on. And being wrong is ok to, that's what makes engaging with the 'other' such rewarding action to take, we balance each others points of view. Much better than going to war : ) imho

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I don't think i would deny the payout lol what about you ?

I might, if I was rich and my main concern was visibility, such as stated by @haejin. By denying payout, he would instantly stop pretty much all downvotes. The steemit community would have rallied around him had they continued. His image would have been far more improved vs the respect he has lost from many of his followers during this back and forth with many Steemians. It would have been a genius play.

I really like your other point as well. It would be interesting if we could find a reliably accurate means of measuring the percentage of the reward pool being downvoted every day and historically.

It's all in the blockchain.

The rules could be changed so the downvotes are burned not redistributed and measure the outcomes. If there is no change in behavior over time that would most likely prove that i was wrong.

That would create a situation with even greater power and benefit being given to those with higher stake. A downvote on anybody would mean a decrease in the supply of steem, increasing the value of their holdings. There are a lot less whales than there are of us.

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Your last point is missing the point.
When the rules change to burning the value of the down-vote
If there was something to be gained financially, we will see down votes decrease.
But if i am wrong it will stay the same.
It will be much better to stop speculating and just dig up the historical data regarding down-votes. I think we will find correlations between when Reward Pool Mining started and changes in the and the amount of down-votes.
Do you think that looking at the data is a bad idea?

@themarkymark hello boy, sorry yesterday I transferred 1 SBD to a publication that was missing 3 hours to beat and I did not get the vote of the robot, is there a way to reimburse 1 SBD?

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Sorry, we are unable to do refunds on user errors.

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We are very clear about our refund policy, and why we have to do it that way.

By the way, don't you have something to do other than flag bystanders?

greetings leaving my vote up here, I hope in my blog thank you giphy.gif

What is this all about?

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An abuser who is upvoting someone $20K USD+ a day got called out, but instead of attacking a big fish, he goes after me because I'm an easier to target.

He has all his minions downvoting me around the clock.

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Yikes... is it enough to dent your rep in quick amount of time? Or will they have to lose power for a long time? Flag wars suck... so petty and menial.

Why did you start down-voting me?

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because you been downvoting me stupid.

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you started downvoting me first

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Ahh, no. I only started downvoting you after you repeatedly downvoted me. I typically don't downvote people but after someone repeatedly downvotes me for no reason I might throw a few your way.

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I just looked at the history on steemd. I upvoted and followed you then you started downvoting me out of no where. That is only when I downvoted you.

Looks like it may do everyone some good to post some history of what you're talking about because it looks like most of us comments are in the dark for the most part.

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It’s pretty easy to see. It is all public. Just look at @haejin profile and tell me if you are ok with one person getting that many rewards daily from the pool we all share.

In response him, his cult, and his whale are all flagging me to silence me.

His rewards were twice that when he had more voting power before all the flagging.

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Got yeah. I've seen Bernie Sanders talking about him, but didn't realize he was flagging you as well.

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I spoke up and showed how much he made a day (~$20K USD). I am smaller and easy target Bernie is much bigger. @haejin sent all his trolls to send death threats, harass, and flag me. It's cool, I've got thick skin. If you say anything disagreeing with their rewards, he will sick them on ya.

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Man that is insane. Thanks for the additional information. I'd love to be making 20k a day and don't think anyone on this platform as of yet should be making this kind of rewards.

Hey man, I'm sorry this is happening to you, it's hard to tell who has good interests in mind in this whole flagging war. I don't think many people know who is in the right here

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It’s pretty easy to see. It is all public. Just look at @haejin profile and tell me if you are ok with one person getting that many rewards daily from the pool we all share.

In response him, his cult, and his whale are all flagging me to silence me.

His rewards were twice that when he had more voting power before all the flagging.

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You guys are one of the sorriest cry babies I've ever witnessed.in fact I'm stupified...you are trying to smear this mans name because he has honorably provided something with merit and value to the community and has made his followers tons of money...this is a discrace..if you aren't happy with how the rewards are formatted, take this to the devs or founder instead of hurting this man...this is disgusting..this is not what i saw Steemit as...I'm truly hurt

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I took all the downvotes without crying, I was downvoted $1K for no reason. It was @haejin and @ranchorelaxo who downvoted smaller than him with the expectation of no retaliation, but I wouldn't be so sure about that ;)

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I'd look at all the death threats, dox threats, harassment, and downvotes your cult did to me before opening your mouth. I never even downvoted him, I just posted 4 images showing how much he was making and your cult attacked me full force crying because I look like an easier Mark.

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Sorry to hear that Mark, but remember, berniesanders started all of this...you know the crazy thing..if he would have wrote an article or letter to haejin and his followers saying , "hey guys, listen this is what is happening and we want to be fair, could you perhaps try and even out the rewards for us?", and he would have had 9000 loyal followers and upvoters to support him and others...keep in mind, most of the followers that I've had the pleasure of meeting are not evil and vindictive...we are very understanding and would like to see Steemit succeed, but when you threaten and bully someone, you're gonna get the horns..you should have known you would get caught up in some way or another by posting those..anyway, regardless , im sorry about the money that was lost..i really wish it was handled diffrently..maybe cool heads will prevail...cheers friend

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Yeah, but that swings two ways. Haejin could have simply made a post explaining his position and opening the conversation. He never did that. He just acted in kind, which is his prerogative, but when you do that, you have consequences.

You guys don't seem to get it. You keep referring to all of us as if we are one unit. Like we're some kind of gang with Bernie as a leader. That we are not. We are individuals with our own opinions and ability to do research. If haejin had bothered to try to understand the reasons members in the community were upset and offered to do just about anything to address it, he probably would have came out of this so much better. Instead, he absolutely stooped down to Bernie's level. In the early parts of my involvement in this debate, I watched a bunch of haejin's videos and gained a little bit of respect for him. I was hoping he would be able to understand and have some insight into the right thing to do. I lost all that respect when he started in on his elementary school antics. This is supposed to a wealthy and well respected professional and bernie has him on steemit acting like a fool. SMH