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RE: Can Free Market Capitalism Exist Without Violence? Highlighting Flaws In Capitalism Means I 'Just Want Free Stuff'?
From my experience over the years it is not so easy as it is portrayed. I started a permaculture food forest and helped with many startups , it's an awful lot of work and from most of the ones I helped start up nothing ( of value) has become of them. And then what does not seem a lot of time work and energy and look like its "free" and enjoyable at the time, becomes in hindsight a lot of work for nothing.
I will continue with trying to establish....or I have to say continue the food forest and garden I started, but it's not as easy as it's portrayed. And it's certainly not free. You really want to have to do it.
I agree that we must be aligned towards doing it - yes. When we are not passionate and aligned towards experiences, we feel bogged down (not free) and problems arise.
In my understanding, such projects as food forests and other forms of self reliance through growing food do require significant amounts of work to establish them, yes - I am not saying they don't. I am just pointing out that: a) The natural abundance of the planet would be more like a food forest than not, if humans had worked with the planet instead of against it for so long. b) once these forms of productivity are established (over years in a balanced way) the outcome can be highly beneficial.
Clearly, to know why your projects produced little or nothing of value would require going in to the specifics of each individual case. However, the fact that not every project succeeds is not evidence that such projects cannot succeed.
I think there is a gap here between what I am describing and what you are describing. When I say that 'nature gives freely' - it is a reference to the way that the only costs (financially) that are involved, originate from the minds of humans and not from the natural process of 'giving' itself. Through alignment of will/desires and mind/intent we can learn and grow in an effortless way. There will be challenges, yes - but they can be overcome.
Did your projects have the benefit of input from those who have created such ideas before successfully?
It's what you call successfully The perrmaculture teacher I had would maybe call things successful but were they truely? I.m.o. from what I've seen and experienced I'd say no. He probably disagrees. He also told a lot of thing which I thought were knowledge at the time which were not true at all. By mixing in bad/incorrect info by that teacher, you can later not know which info is true and which is not, so in end effect all the info is worthless. You have a permaculture certificate and a lot of untrue info which you may accidentally give to other people.
Sepp holzer is also a charletan. I can't find the site of the Jena hof that he ruined but If I find it I give you the link. But he is called in permaculture circles the agrar rebel. supposetly because he was sued a lot by people because he was so innovative bla bla. But later I found out that the reasons of the people sueing him were valid.
To name one example of the many, he used slam from a clearing installations (don't know the english term) which is know to be contaminated with nasty stuff and used it on his land for fertility. His farm lies on a mountain I can imagine that the farm under his is not so happy with that. There were a lot more things off with that fellow and worse with his methods.
I also put question marks at some of the online permaculture farms most have volunteers and side business which is not told.
But to end on an up note I learned a lot from a friend at that permaculture course that I helped in her great garden. She was way more realistic and honest about what it takes I learned a lot from her. There were also others that had gardens already that were trustworthy and honest people. Maybe they were in a better possition and they should have given the course lol.
Next year I go and give a lot more attention to my garden again. I think the idea is good and worth continueing.
peace
Food forest are indeed, a lot of work. You can't just plant everything and walk away.
All the pieces need to be done in stages, and if since you are making an intertwined structure, failure in any part can destroy the whole.
I too have helped many people... to come back later and find that they didn't even try to maintain it. It is sad. But, clearly points out that giving things away for free (like labor) can have poorer results than selling it at a premium.
On "gurus": almost everything in our world is half-truths. You have to take what you have been taught and rigorously analyze it through application. We have all of these "permaculture specialists" running around saying all kinds of things, but we tend to ignore what people who have been gardening for 50 years say.
And, some of it is good, like no-till gardening. and some of it is bad...
Good luck