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RE: I Got Flagged Three Times Yesterday. Did You?
I don't pay attention to the votes on my comments either. It's too much hassle and no payoff for it. That's why I really like dustsweeper. Then I know that if someone upvotes a comment, but it's not enough, I'll still get paid out and their vote will matter. Most newbs don't know their votes don't matter on comments, so it's nice to make their votes count.
I drop a lot of dust, but hopefully people are able to sweep it too. I don't want it to go to waste, but I don't want to leave them with nothing. Do you use dustsweeper?
No, I don't use dustsweeper. As it is, I'm not even sure why, since many people love it. I guess I just see it in the same light as steem basic income. I know it's tough for newbies, and the rest of us redfish/minnow types, but it all feels like subsidization, and it also feels like manipulation of the reward pool. I can't blame anyone for trying it. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense that newbies don't have enough SP to vote over the dust threshold, or for that matter, that there be a dust threshold, except if it really is true that the computational load would put too much strain on the resources of the blockchain. That's the excuse they give for it, anyway.
With bidbots and self-votes and delegation all manipulating the reward pool in one way or another, what's a few more?
I don't really see it as a manipulation. More of a correction of the wrong that is dust. It keeps people from getting paid what they should get and it slows down minnows. You're not a minnow, but it means that I could upvote your comment, but it wouldn't do anything.
Regardless of what you choose to do with it, I'll respect your decision.
I'm wondering what they should get paid. If people put up a dust vote of $0.001, and that's all there is, how does that warrant a payout of any kind, even on the side of the author? Does the system go out farther than three decimals? If not, by the time you would do any taking away of a curation and then divvying up the SBD and the SP, what are you looking at?
I know that's not what you're talking about. You're saying dust shouldn't exist in the first place, which is kind of what I was saying about newbies barely having any voting ability at all, and none of it worth enough, especially now.
But in order to make up those dust amounts to get over a threshold if they're all by themselves, that's going to be between $0.2 and $0.03 every time. If we're talking about preferences as to where that reward dust goes, back to the reward pool or to the intended author and curator, I agree, it should go to them. I'd just rather it become a part of the system rather than another workaround that's concentrating SP if not yet, eventually, into another bot account.
At any rate, it is what it is, and I know the people who are behind it are only trying to do what they think is right. I can't fault or blame anyone for that.
I'm not? :) Did they up that to 2000 SP when I wasn't looking?
I would like the ability to choose where curation goes (i.e. keep it for myself or give it to the author)
I think any vote should be paid out. I don't know if they look past 3 decimals, but a vote is a vote and should be paid.
Dang it, I got my terminology confused. You're still a minnow. I meant red fish. Although, wouldn't that be cool if you were a dolphin? :)
I guess it would depend on what level of dolphin. A baby dolphin doesn't seem to have a whole lot of juice either, but a 35,000 to 45,000 SP dolphin seems a little more like it.
At any rate, just having double the SP I have now would be nice.
Okay, I figured it was a slip of the brain or something. I just can't resist poking fun sometimes. :)
As far as curation goes, maybe that's something that needs to be proposed. Just pay the person we want to pay.
I'm still coming to terms with how this all works. I figured the only fluctuations I was seeing on my posts (mostly down), were caused solely by the 3.5 day average price of STEEM changing, and seemingly always moving down.
But no, the reward pool also sucks some of it off to give to higher paying posts, right? I mean, I've observed something like that happening when there's not been any discernible change in STEEM price, and the talk about the self-upvote going back to the reward pool confirms that.
So, I don't know. It's a bizarre thing to me all the way around.
I agree that all votes should be paid. I just don't know how that happens on the lowest end, unless things get paid out beyond three decimals.
To get a 100% vote above the $0.03 threshold, you would need a minimum of 300 SP. I don't see that coming from Steemit Inc in the form of delegation to each newer account.
Then, you have just getting rid of the threshold, but there's supposedly a huge computational load to consider. I guess I don't know what the answer is, but dustsweeper exists, which means I can just keep posting, commenting and curating how I see fit and let everyone else do the same. Or not.
I wouldn't mind being a Dolphin. That starts at 5,000 SP. That's not a bad place to be. Although it would be fun to be a 45,000 SP Dolphin, because that's only 5k away from being an Orca! Ha ha.
You'll be getting close to Dolphin status if you double your SP. When that happens... Look out, world!
Poke away! I point out people's mistakes from time to time, so I should be able to take the correction as well. I wasn't thinking clearly.
I don't think it's the computational load they're worried about. It's the loads of new alt accounts that get created to farm for rewards. By having a dust threshold, those don't add up as much.
Yeah, the fluctuations are probably caused by other large accounts voting for things (themselves or otherwise) which lowers the amount that can be directed to you. It's all about percentage of the pool rewards. You don't actually have a specific amount that your vote is worth. It's just a rough estimation of the percentage of the reward pool that it's assigning. If larger accounts use their power to assign shares to others, then the share you assigned is proportionally smaller. It's rather convoluted.
It would be nice if they did a forum and asked people to submit ideas. Even if they didn't hear arguments on them right away, even if they didn't act on all of them, even if they didn't do anything with them... it would still be nice to be heard.
Supposedly, that's what they've done in the past. The last one I know of happened before they announced what would be HF 20 over a year ago. From there, I don't know if there's been any forums.
As it is, we're supposed to be able to rally the troops on our own, and if there's consensus among the Top 20 witnesses, we're supposed to be able to even change code, if someone knows how to do it. Which, I've got to believe someone knows how to do.
So, waiting around and waiting around isn't something we really have to do if we could get our collective act together.
Well, maybe it's a combination of the two, computational load and alt accounts, because I've seen both mentioned, and it seems like there were a few more reasons, too.
Well, however it works, I need a good explanation as to why it can't just be here's what I'm giving you in rewards. I would appreciate it if that happened even if the price of STEEM went down over the 7 day period. Maybe it's just going to take millions of people all upset and complaining at once before there's any change on the reward pool. Right now, it seems untouchable.
I guess I'll be closer if I double my SP, but it would be closer if I tripled it. :)
At any rate, that still seems a little far off. My SP has been increasing slower than molasses all of July. It's going to get a boost here when my part one of my business story pays out tonight. After that, it's back to dismal. :)
It seems like there should be something different, but I'm not an expert, so I can't really claim to have the answers as to how they should do it. I do know that if they made it so whatever your vote was became what the person got paid (even after curation), then the votes values would go way down. There is a lot of SP that doesn't vote in each day's cycle, so it's not factored in. If you made the values absolute, then their value would have to count (including Steemit's SP) and the result would be our votes would drop considerably.
I saw earlier that Dan was still hanging around (I think) using the name "god," of all things. Apparently no confusion as to how he sees himself. He had some quite large accounts that he was using to delegate and from what he said, he's going to burn the master passwords for that account, so his delegations will become permanent.
I think they were mostly delegated to charity accounts and those who are trying to help others, but it will be interesting to see if there's any fallout from that. Irrevocable delegation? Sounds nice to be on the receiving end of.