Stacking and owning for life

in #investing7 years ago (edited)

My wife is on the job hunt at the moment, but being summer, it is slim pickings as pretty much Finland is closed for between 4-6 weeks while everyone is on vacation. However, she does have a pretty decent network so there are some leads out there to chase.

I was saying to her tonight that regardless of what she does and what she earns, for the next 6 months to a year we are going to keep the status quo on our spending - meaning that we are going to keep saving what we can - just at a faster rate. She is fine with that because she has lived this life for long enough also and is tired of the razors edge that slices from time to time and the worry if something big comes up, as has arrived a few times in the recent past. Of course, we are not extreme about these things and still attempt to do something together as a family that is nice, splurge a little, even if it is just on trip for ice cream.

I was talking with a colleague today about investing, something he is into also but doesn't spend much time on and plays it very safe in his opinion, and he was talking about how pretty much anyone could be saving a little extra here or there.

One of the things that surprises me at time is that saving is the general go to for wealth creation, but I think it is at least partly flawed. While saving is great, wealth creation requires making money and if one is not making enough at this point, saving is going to be not only difficult and highly restrictive, it is also going to be unlikely to be able to realize the kinds of results needed.

Needed.

How much do you need? How much do I need? How long is a piece of string? You know, it is all relative but, in my view the wish would be to have choices, not in what to buy but in what I am able to do for work. Being forced to work due to necessity makes any job, no matter how good, soul-sucking.

What I asked him was what he would think if while he was grocery shopping, he saw me stocking shelves with cans. His answer was that he would likely think that I was in need of the money - but he would only be partly right.

An average job in Finland pays about 3000€ a month - stacking shelves 15 hours a week would add about 600€ to that total - essentially a 20% raise in income. But while most don't want to add 60 hours a month to their working lives, stacking shelves is quite mindless work, requires near zero training and provides time to think about whatever one chooses. For example, one could spend that time thinking about where to invest 600€ a month.

Over the space of 2 years, that would be 14,000€ extra that could go into an investment portfolio of some kind and if started early enough, spread well and into some decent investing points, could add a significant amount in a final tally. How much could it add?

Well imagine being able to get 10% a year on it.

  • Year 1 - 15,400
  • Year 5 - 22,500
  • Year 10 - 36,400
  • Year 20 - 94,100
  • Year 30 - 244,200

Sure, there are various forms of risk and inflation to consider but, that is not bad for 2 years of part-time brainless labor stacking shelves. I would be 70 years old in 30 years from now my house would be paid off, child out of the house long ago - pity I didn't do this when I was 20. Small amounts can add up to large amounts very fast if they are invested well.

People like safe investments with their income. I will let you in on a secret to the safest investment to stock your portfolio with. Consumables. They will yield zero nearly every time. But you can feel good owning them until they are torn and tattered, breaking down and leaking oil - or your neighbor has a newer version.

2 years of stacking shelves as an extra job and a half decent retirement fund is very possible - but there is the investment part and increases in lifestyle don't count as investments for the most part.

They shouldn't call it lifestyle at all because, you can't buy style. They should call it lifefashion. the phones, the sneakers, the trendy coffees, the subscriptions to content distributors. These things are fashion-based and add very little to life.

Are they a good use of 600€ a month?

These are the decisions we each make. Someone might spend it on this and that, another might buy 3000 Steem with it. Economics is very much a game that we all are forced to play, but how we play has many variables and the decisions we make can lead to many outcomes. There is one thing that I can't stress enough though, material wealth can only come through ownership of some kind because,

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Do you understand that idiom yet? You can't hold and consume simultaneously.

Well, unless what you hold is Steem ;)

Going back to my colleague seeing me stocking shelves thinking about me needing the money, he would be right - I would need it. I would need it to invest so that in some time further from those shelves, I wouldn't need the job, I would get residual earnings from the investments made. Then, I have other choices.

While not everyone in this world has access to jobs, let alone second jobs - most people in this world do. It is interesting to hear so many people complain about what they can't have or can't do rather than working out what they can do - and then doing it.

I may have been one of them once, I might still be one of them from time to time now, but I am slowly breaking the patterns of self-repression and moving into self-expression and ownership of my own experience.

There are opportunities to own everywhere, whether it be through stacking shelves or blogging on a blockchain.

Taraz
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I don't know, mindless jobs seem like good meditation to me. I wouldn't mind stacking shelfs, it's still something that needs to be done - more I mind feeling useless, like I often did during the civil service. Although then I had loads of time to sit on a computer and loathing my useless existence on Steem, lol. Not to forget that I got money equal to a part time job, albeit being there full time. Yet again, it wasn't too bad that I got money for being mainly a waistrel. I much prefer delivering mail though, because here I'm making as much money in two weeks that I got in two months during the civil service - and I'm working only 4 days in a week.

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A brainless job that involves exercise sounds like a perfect second job. From time to time, we get leaflets put out by companies looking for advertisement distributors. They pay is a pittance, of course, but I badly need to exercise anyway. How long does it take to organize the the ads before you can go on a distribution run?

Ads don't take long – I just take the approximate amount of them with me and distribute them from the side. Takes too long to organize them according to every household, especially with the current system there is.
But organizing the mail takes a considerable amount of time, usually around 6 hours, but that is partly, because we also organize the mail for car deliverers before we get to our own routes. Nowadays, I usually get to my route around 12-13 o'clock and make it back in under 4 hours. On Fridays there's barely any mail though – even less on summer – and that's why the following Friday me and some others are on "forced vacation", though I don't mind, because I'm going to the summer cottage on the weekend anyway.

Hello,

Thank you for sharing! I’m positive that you and your wife will be able to create a fortune through your investments! The one thing I am looking forward to, is joining forces with my future spouse and stack up that dough! 💰

-pf

is joining forces with my future spouse and stack up that dough!

There are pros and cons - choose well ;D

I started to save and invest 2 years ago. First year did I invest in 2 different index funds where I invested 100dkk monthly while saving for education. This year I got the money for the education and upped my investment into each fund to 300dkk and I am thinking about increasing it even more :D

don't over extend, don't under extend ;D

He exacly. Investing is liquid, so incasd I need liquid cash I still got it :D While getting dividende which is automatix reinvested :D

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Yep, it is a good way to go - good luck with it :)

Thanks! :D

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I didn't quite understand your example of stacking shelves at first. But now I see it as a cashflow to invest into something that you can own, like Steem. But it has to be a second cashflow, separate from your day-to-day expenses.

15 hours per week of mindless work earning 600 Euros a month means about 3 hours 5 days a week or 2+ hours 7 days a week.

600 Euros a month means 20 Euros every day.

I'm pretty sure right now you are working MORE than 2 hours every day on Steem and earning less than 20 Euros from it. Maybe you are earning more than 20 after expenses for promotion. Could be for an author of your caliber.

What I mean is one could potentially stack shelves for 3 hours a day 5 times a week, get 600 Euros at the end of the month and invest them into Steem, power up and delegate it to some bot which would create a passive revenue stream or additional investment opportunity.

And you wouldn't need to blog every day multiple times a day.

But of course, I suspect blogging for you has become something MORE than just a burden...

But it might be a wise choice for someone who hates blogging but still wants to own Steem.

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I am in bed so should answer but, you are right, this is precisely my point - Earning off chain and investing on. There are many ways to add revenue.

For me there is more to blogging than the money or even the process of it. If I had only bought in and delegated, it is unlikely I would have the relationships I do. In the long-term, the relationships are likely the most valuable component of steem, just as they are in life itself.

Buying STEEM would've been a horrible investment a year and a half ago. It is starting to look attractive now. But then ...

Depends how you look at it. Yes, buying at the high would have sucked, but those who bought then weren't paying attention to the market, just their greed :D

However, while buying higher as an investment for value might be bad, buying in and getting more invested into the Steem community is good. Many people don't really start learning until they have some of their own value on the line.

Exactly! The relationships will help you survive ups and downs of this platform.

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Did you take in account that with 3000€ salary, if you work in addition to that the tax increases and all ultimately cause that every additional € you earn will increase your income by 0,5€.

If you'd get 2200€ after taxes from the 3000€ and get another job (or a raise) and get 600€ more, you'd be most likely earning 2500€ after that. Magrinal tax rate in Finland is high. But it's always a bonus.

Luckily salaries are OK too. If someone would pick a side job with 15h/week, they could easily get approx. 10€/h AND if they'd be working in the evenings/weekends, some extra money on that. Would be more than 600€/month (before taxes) and even with taxes deducted, it'd still make a difference in the long run.

Yeah I did, but I didn't want to get into specific laws here as they vary country to country. I get hammered on my tax currently because I work two jobs, plus for one of them I have to pay all of my other business costs. It is still better to work than to not and over time, the less reliance on a government, the better imo.

Lol 😂
I laughed when I read this because I have had second job for years. As soon as my kids started college I got a 2nd job to pay bills and now use to invest and pay emergencies or urgencies.

Your right that you think about what your going to do with your extra money during that job. It makes you or it made me appreciate money and be more frugal.

I realized true freedom was reproducing all or a portion of your income. A dream for many but only achievable once you take the first step...start saving and planning.

🙏🏻Peace & Good health yo you and yours.

600€ for simple job of putting things on shelves seem very attractive to me. In Libya most of the full time jobs don't give us 600€ after converting currency. Yeah our country is cheaper and we have less taxes but makes me think of how better life will be with that kind of money.

I continue to think about how to allocate my extra capital I accumulate every month and it continues to come to crypto mostly although I diversify just in case. Steem makes it even more interesting given the opportunity to compounding investing and earning over time!

For example, one could spend that time thinking about where to invest 600€ a month.

I do this at work. I pick the job that is the most mindless so I can think about crypto and programming.

Stocking up on STEEM is just as good as a part time stocking shelves. Just gotta wait for the pump!

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