Rep and reap
It has taken a glitch but finally!!!!
Eat my rep @acidyo!!!
...shiiiiiiitttt.... still?!? Not even a glitch is enough...
Rep is pretty meaningless on Steem because it can be bought and now mine has been affected by using @ocdb but, it is what it is. What I do think is going to be interesting about it is that once mainstreaming happens there is going to be a massive amount of people voting but not adding much to the rep. Yeah, the mechanics are broken and it is useless but I wonder, how many will there be in the 75+ reps?
At the moment and according to Steemdb there are 74 accounts with a reputation above 75 but, that website is very outdated and showing numbers all over the joint. It has me with a 72 rep so I am unsure how many above 75 there actually are.
But no matter, when there are heaps of people on the chain there are really going to be relatively very few people up in the 70s at all. Even if there are 1000 currently, that is > 0.1% of all accounts on the blockchain. Even if there are people buying votes to get the rep or selfvoting to insanity like the two highest reps on the blockchain, it is going to get increasingly difficult to get up to those levels and just think how much @chbartist has handed over to get there.
Will rep matter in the future? Probably not as eventually either they will repair it, find a better way or get rid of it altogether. I wonder what reps would look like if there was a way to backdate the reputation and remove known circlejerk, selfvotes and bought votes? Probably quite different to now and most of the people who have made it into the 70s in the last year will likely be knocked down heavily. It should actually be somewhat possible as of course, all the voting and purchasing information is held on the blockchain - the only question is the backroom deals.
But even they are pretty easy to spot as they form relatively tight circles that go beyond friends or family voting on friends or family consistently. If someone is putting 90% of their voting power into 10 accounts only, I would say that is a circlejerk. Again, these numbers are available and one day, someone will take the time to extract them and crunch them all down, just for interest sake.
The Steem blockchain is going to be a gold mine of information and interaction in the future and as more and more data divers get comfortable playing around on the blockchains, the ones that are able to model human behavior are going to offer a granular view of the world that has never before been seen with such clarity or, immutability. History on the blockchain is much more verifiable than any encyclopedia written by people who weren't even there and it is hard to say "but, that wasn't me".
The current tools available are not very precise and the calculations and algorithms are hard to develop (and process) providing a shallower look than is possible. In time however, the blockchains are going to be much more scrapable and fine slices of very specific interactions will become transparent, rather than mashed into the mass of transactions. Taking out the Black Mirror/ 1984 dystopia kind of result, I have hopes that this will be able to indicate solutions to all kinds of problems.
For example, eventually all of the medical records will be on tblockchains and these will be able to be compared globally. Then , they will also be able to be cross-referenced with other data for example, buying habits which will indicate diet and drinking, smoking and other factors. I wonder how many disease causes or potential cures could be identified when there is that level of data and precision available. Combine this with activity trackers like actifit, hours logged watching on-demand content, gaming or social media and, it is going to provide some very clear results about what works and what doesn't work.
Yeah, there is a lot of room for evil but - there is also a lot of room for good.
Anyway, while the numbered rep on Steem is relatively useless, reputation is quite important and that is a community based system that is invisible to the blockchain as it is held in the minds of each individual. I don't need to see the numbers as for some people, their reputation precedes them and, the demonstrate often enough. This happens in the positive and the negative of course. No matter if you care about your reputation in the real world or not, everyone has one and it influences the way other people treat you.
Would you buy a car that has a bad reputation of being unreliable?
Taraz
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While it seems a common perception "rep," as defined by Steem at least, is largely useless, there is one aspect of it that is unavoidably important.
And what would that be? It's role in determining the impact of so-called "flag wars." Whether we are impacted by a down vote or whether it "bounces off" ...
I personally despise this aspect of the Steem blockchain. Enough so that more than once I have debated ending my active participation on it. The injustice of it makes me sick ...
Sure would like to see that aspect of "rep" fixed!
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P.S. For what it is worth, I see no change to my "rep" on SteemWorld, which is what I rely on. That is, I haven't used Steemit for a long time ...
I left Steem for a while because the flag wars were getting to be too much. It looks horrible to outsiders and is such a waste of potential
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Yes @travelsmemoire, we are in agreement ...
... I have written more than once about this. I cannot imagine major investors, stumbling upon some of this garbage, would choose to invest nonetheless.
I know for myself, had I experienced it early on, I would be gone. No question about it. The "saving grace" for me, at least for the time being, are the number of good contacts I have made "in here" and am, therefore, reluctant to give them up.
These were made, before I had any personal experience with the nasty and destructive "flag wars" still going on. In its current form, the Steem blockchain has no effective remedy for those hurt by them.
The worst part is if you really dive into it some of the major perpetrators are the main holders of Steem. It’s gotten better though and hopefully things will keep trending that way
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We can certainly hope so! 👍
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Yeah, this is something interesting as I remember hearing that if above 68, it can't be knocked down but not sure if that is correct or, if it was once the case. I think it became that pretty much only higher reps could affect it.
It is a steemit thing for the rep tonight. UI changes probably.
This, at least for me, only becomes true at 0 rep, because below that your posts and comments are censored. There are arguments for and against that feature, but it is the only thing about flagging that bothers me.
Perhaps @valued-customer. I might, albeit grudgingly, acknowledge flagging has its place for some limited "behavior modification."
But, in my comment here, I am specifically referencing "flag wars." Big difference, at least to me ...
LOL I must thank @berniesanders for providing evidence here that I am not talking out of school. He is presently flagging all my comments, or at least most of them. Surprisingly, I have had some interesting interactions with him as a result. I don't consider it a loss for me, and I have gained friends and followers as a result.
I completely agree that it's a harsh disincentive for investors, and just ordinary folks that want to try out the Steem blockchain and censorship resistance. So, in that respect, you are completely right about flagwars, and flagging folks into dust. It's horribly contrary to sound marketing principles, and is almost certainly preventing some upwards pressure on Steem right now.
I don't like it, and I want it to stop. However, things are what they are, and I will work with what is. I also note that when whales flag each other, the rewards of dolphins, minnows, and redfish are increased, as those flags return rewards to the pool that then are doled out to their posts and comments instead of to the whales, who typically receive most rewards.
While my own rewards are being impacted presently, I don't particularly care about that, as I have but rarely used any Steem except as SP and VP. However, it takes very little VP to flag on me so it's not doing much for the rest of you in that way. What's going on between FTG and Bernie, however, is, and that's not a bad thing for smaller accounts who are receiving larger rewards as a result.
It's bad optics for investors, and that is probably a far more important factor for us all though.
Thanks!
Hmmm @valued-customer ...
... if you say so, although I would suggest most would not take as favorable a view of this experience as you have apparently chosen. Presumably you find the gain of "friends and followers" to be a sufficient offset ...
Exactly. At least it is for me and the reason for my original comment to @tarazkp. If it were not for the investment aspect, I would not be on the Steem blockchain. Full stop. Period.
Thank you for the investment of your time into this reply. Have a great day!
I am surprised as i see that my rep falls, i guess there will bd an announcement tommorrow for it or maybe it is just a display error. Who knows
It is obviously an error. Mine 51 and @acidyo's is 40. lol
I guess right also
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Check your wallet... ;D
It doesn't show a reputation at all.
My god!!! :D
just a display error or else they are resetting the system and clearing out wallets. who knows.
Steem Ua is another rep calculator used to change the one in steemit.
It is based on the True engagement, followerals, etc.
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Yes but I think that is imperfect too - better - but not quite there either. I am guessing that in time there will be more of an AI based system that can look further afield and at more points.
All the information is right there, on the blockchain.
The question becomes "How do you MINE that information and plug it into a consensus algorithm that accurately reflects a person's reputation?"
Which leads right to the next question of "What do we want that reputation should REFLECT?"
You're right that reputation definitely matters. But how do we even reach consensus on what exactly it should reflect? Is is "value added?" Is it "engagement?" Is it "contributions?"
Not easy to answer.
The current glitch is... weird.
=^..^=
Yes, this is the issue that I don't think has a solution as what one person respects and values, another scorns. Reputation is too personal and the way they try to do it is too not.
There is perhaps no way to ever see how much value someone has truly brought to the community and vote support doesn't tell much.
I believe the solution is to - as always - increase decentralization. Reputation is the regard with which one holds others, based on their prior actions. As a result, it is a completely personal and individual metric. So, each account holder should be able to simply filter those they regard through their personal metrics that builds their view of anothers reputation.
In other words, I think the only way to make reputation accurate is to make it a completely personal and subjective evaluation. Since the people do not have a common reputation metric, but individual persons only do, that is pretty much the only possible way to make reputation that is valid for each and all. The regard others hold is a factor in how we ourselves gauge another's reputation, and that may be how reputation has any validity at all.
That is the purpose of references on job applications, credit scores, and the like. I'd like to see some attempt to create a reputation system that incorporates these realities, because that system would restore the utility of the metric on Steem, or any social media.
Apparently the chb guy is going to run for witness (so i hear) so dont forget to vote him.
On the topic at hand... Yeah, seemed weird seeing the reps today, but then i remembered that reps werent really a thing.
Why front ends still show them is beyond me.
lol, I will get in early and plant a flag as a marker ;)
I think it is a legacy thing where people just keep using the code. pretty useless and most of the Apps will either create their own or dice the idea completely.
You got 54 lol, imagine if this decides to remain permanent really? Hahahaha what can I say, I'd definitely buy a car that pleases me, despite the reputation.
Wouldn't really bother me much at all.
Remind me not to ask you to buy me a car ;D
Hahahaha it all boils down to reputations doesn't it?
I will never buy a Citröen or pretty much any French car.
I once purchased a great looking sedan, and the 1983 Motor Trend Car of the Year - a Renault Alliance. I have never more regretted buying any vehicle, and have ever since had a chip on my shoulder regarding Motor Trend.
Reputation is a two way street.
And I read something like RIP Rep in the title. Just eyes being tired, no other reason, right?
It would be interesting how fast we build it back up and to what level before we know what's going on. The busy.org still shows the original numbers. I even saw my last digit move. I gained 0.004 rep on Busy and 7.367 Rep on Steemit with the same post.
You know how we're often biased into thinking something is because of us. At first I thought it was universal vengeance for me finally trying Actifit.
Anyway, a new season starting for me, too. Let's see where my rep and my kilos meet and when ;)
yep, it is a steemit API thing by the looks. I would say that if everyone today started at 25 again, many of the same people would be near the top soon enough because the relationships are there.
You broke Steem :/
;D
Sorry about that ;)
Well, my reputation 'score' seems like it hasn't changed not even a bit. It has stayed on a solid "62" all the time along all this supposedly glitch.
I have a hunch about why this sincerity episode has treated me so well and in this benevolent way with me. I'm willing to bet that this probably is because I've never published anything here outside the steemit.com UI. And obviously, also because I've rarely used any BidBots to pump up my shit. };)
¿Do you think I could be onto something right with my hunch here?
Yeah! throw your bets into the hat. I'm also willing to gather & pick the earnings of the bets against my hunch. Hahahaha
Lol, perhaps that is the case - or it broke when they patched the DDoS vulnerability. Hard to tell.
The concept is great but the execution was awful. It has been interesting to see how the hyped project of Steem-UA hasn’t really been heard much. I rely on it as a key metric to follow my progress but wish it can become much more.
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I am pretty sure @scipio is over at whaleshares now. @holger80 is developing a lot for steem though. Pity it didn't go far into the develoment.
I wish people wouldn't take any notice of reputation scores as they are somewhat meaningless. I would like to know what happens when we get to 100, does it stop or carry on. This will take a few years maybe, but it is possible.
every change is supposedly requires 1.5x more voting power to achieve. I can do the mth on that but 100 takes .. umm.. a lot? :D
Ok I didn't know that and would still make it possible, but not highly likely.