Crazy talk and the Ponz
The other day I replied to a comment somewhere that was talking about Steem being a ponzi scam, with the additional justification that if for example a post payout is 10 with curators getting 5 and there are 10 voters, each curator should get 50 cents each. This has been weighing on my mind a little.
No not the possibility that this should actually be a thing, but how little people seem to know about the mechanics of the platform, or how entitled people must be to think that much wow math is even possible. The person talked of "investing in" which is fine at whatever amount (they had invested a great deal relatively but may have been to them), but any investor would do at least some due diligence.
I would also assume that they would have some understanding of basic economics or at least have read somewhere that this is a stake-based platform. This is actually a bit of a challenge for Steem however, as unlike most other crypto projects that are often filled with investors, nerds and the hopefuls trying to swing for the fences, Steem has a very high degree of normal people.
Of course, that is also the strength of the platform and why I personally see so much value as there are Very low barriers to entry for people into what can be a highly technical and volatile industry. But, even with such barriers, there are always going to be people who assume and expect without actually understanding, which causes a conflict in their position that often affects their behavior.
Case in point is the account I spoke of from above was powering down and leaving because Steem is an illegal Ponzi scheme because new users can't compete with old (BS) because the old will earn more in curation. Well, my account is older than @theycallmedan's, so I guess I earn more in curation... No, this is a stake based platform with capabilities for investing and, some people invest. Not only that, people have vast differences in their economic availability off the platform too.
For example, I am in something like the top 350 Staked accounts on the platform, but I pretty damn sure that I am much further down the list when looking at real world assets and earnings. What people call rich on Steem is rather irrelevant in real life. My account is worth something like 14000 dollars all told, which even if I sold all of it wouldn't do much toward the renovations required on the houses we are looking at in our price range.
That could change of course, which is where the investment comes into it. Steem is a long-term process and it is one that requires a fair bit of faith, commitment and activity. Sure, if someone wants to buy a million steem for 170,000 dollars, power it up, earn a bit of inflation and wait for the moon, they can. But for many including myself, it is more like occasionally buying 170 dollars worth, work my ass off for the rest, power up, curate and do all kinds of other things for the "buy-in".
I am so fucking glad that I get to work for the buy-,in here because if I went to a bank and said, "I would like to start investing with you, do you have any dishes I can wash as a deposit", they would tell me to piss off. And yeah, at times it does feel like doing manual labor for very little return, but at the same time, it is still going toward my buy-in. The manual labor part is mostly dealing with people who do not adhere to the "don't be a dick" philosophy.
Which, speaking of, I ran into the same account again last night on a great technical (above my head) post by @gtg in the comments section with this gem getting spammed around the place. You see, they were never going to last, because not only do they not have the understanding of the platform, they also do not seem to have a great deal of social sense. They have been on the platform since November 2019 - they lasted two months before:

That is one of the all-time great scenes from a movie, I think.
The online social life has been engineered for conflict and entitlements of various kinds, while nurturing a false sense of security from speaking from behind the screen. It is an engineered to make people feel that they can say what they want without any repercussions. But, once they enter onto Steem with their misconceptions and then take a few downvotes, they flip out and do what Australians would call, *"spit the dummy". Throw a tantrum because they didn't get what they want, when they wanted it in the way they wanted it.
While these types of people will always arrive, most of them will also always go, which isn't great for Steem long-term, but isn't bad for Steem for the immediate future. Steem does need investors of all kinds, but it also benefits from investors who are willing to learn about, understand and work toward the future success of their investment. If a person can't survive two months without exploding on steem, they probably aren't really cut out as an early adopter investor.
Which leads me to the last paragraphs (perhaps) which mentions that while there is still opportunity for early adopter investor bonuses, the coming SMTs will add second-layer investment possibilities. And because these are somewhat removed from Steem through narrow focus of topic and experience. as well as the economic mechanics, they are likely to be better suited to people who are not keen on investing in, but still want to invest, not keen on learning too much, but still want to benefit from the learning of others.
As I see it, Communities and SMTs are the bridge that closes the gap between the early complexity and the coming simplicity. The early adopter has to understand more and expose themselves to not only more uncertainty and risk, but also volatility of the community itself, a community filled with a wonderfully diverse range of people, personalities and skills.
For those who have been here long enough, you will likely understand what I am talking about when it comes to the ups and downs of the community, not just the markets. For those who are new, I hope that you are ready, as while there is a great range and level of value to be earned - it still isn't like joining Facebook, Instagram or Pinterest, where people are led through fenced runs like cows to get milked.
Just wait though, easy will arrive for end users and with it, a lower return on investment, with higher barriers for economic success Buy low, sell high on Steem has an even more powerful middle, because what is bought can be staked and actively used to not only earn, but add value to the platform by empowering others.
....Ponzi.

Taraz
[ a Steem original ]


Bernie Maddox ran the ultimate Ponzi scheme, he was busted during the gfc when too many of his investors wanted their money out and he didn’t have enough on hand.
What would happen if everyone powered down their steem and then try to sell?
I see more sense in what you have written and I agree with you totally. Almost everybody likes to do what they consider good in their sight and not necessarily consider what other view or perception over it as long as they could achieve their aims. And the reason for this is because, steem is decentralized enough for people to do and undo most especially when they have highest stake in the blockchain. There is no check and balance for people's action on steem from any authority, and if individual tries to take action or tries to be' god' by trying to check people action, he or she would be called all sort of name. Above all, we must consider the community and work together toward creating an enabling environment for us all.
All I know is that, whether one is waiting on the future which is not certain, we are all going to sell the coin one day..
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There are all kinds of behaviors possible and while some will work for themselves, others will find it more valuable to work together, and they will likely be right. It takes a team to build applications, it takes many teams for a community. One of the issues is that people expect tom come into a diverse environment of thoughts, ideas and actions and, like everything.
@kevinwong disagrees:

Lol, till death! When are you planning to sell few of your steems in the nearest future, as I know you will surely have a focus,like kind of expectation.
Depends on life situation.
But if the next bull run is similar to the last, I will likely sell some at the top to cover debts, then hold the rest. It will likely drop back someway past that which means that without debts I will slowly ladder back in with fiat.
Since I don't have to sell, I won't and, I want to be able to benefit from the future of Steem Power too. If things go well, I will be able to curate for a living ;)
Definitely, I do agree with you, I just hope and pray that steem could later be source of income for us in the nearest future. Not knowing the perfect time to sell nor invest is a pain in the ass. Like now, I made some investment and hope to live off my steempower without power it down.
This is why trading isn't for everyone, but in crypto, most will have to trade at some point. Sell at 50 cents, 1 dollar 5 dollars 10? who knows where it will go and where it will fall.
!ENGAGE 20
Sounds like we need one go-to website where people can find out about how Steem works in one place!
I do sympathise with people, it is difficult to quizzle this place out sometimes!
yeah ;D
But I think many will skip it as they already know it as after all, "I have been on social media for well-over a decade"
I think that individual applications will lower the barrier for end users a lot, and those who want to expand from there will have to ramp up further.
I've been trying to gradually get together a list of Steem tools/ info sites, thinking it'll probably be useful for the whole onboarding project, and because I personally like to know this sort of stuff.
It's not easy tracking into down, and some of the tools I use to use disappear - Beempy for example, that was great, now it's gone!
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yes, it seems @holger80 is a little absent of late.
I think that even those will simplify in some ways, or spread based on end user audience. I do not think most people need most of what is available, but if one is looking to invest and especially go long, research is required. I would say that most haven't come close to start reading the basic whitepaper.
I know @holger80 was working on @nextcolony, perhaps that's keeping him busy, unless he's just left left!
Dunno, but Steemrewarding was supposedly down and then up - and I am guessing it wasn't magic.
I think Steemworld.org does most of what one needs, that's a real success story on Steem, I've just noticed the voting graphics. It's a superb tool. I need to check whether Steemchiller is on my autovote, it's well deserved! I wonder if they've got a proposal going too? Must check.
How much engage can one call in a day btw?
The crab bucket. Oh how I miss that concept.
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You were talking about gifs the other day.
Any idea why these work in steempeak but not in steemit?
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Technically I've no idea, but it's probably an indicator of the fact that Steempeak is being maintained while Steemit is not!
I have heard if you have it locally and drop it in, it works.
!ENGAGE 10 Test :)
When I started here I didn’t understand a lot of it and it does take a while to get your head around all the jargon, how the wallets work, crypto exchanges, etc. Then there are the social aspects like quality posts, engagement, etc. The concept of a transparent wallet that everyone can see is a confronting one to most newcomers, including myself, it now I think “What do you have to hide?”.
It stops people pretending to be whales pretty quickly.
I recently had someone unfollow me. I have no issue with this as no one has to be glued to my content, but I did a check and this person had been following me for about a year (I hadn’t followed them back) and they were unfollowing all of their followed accounts. Why? Because she was under the impression that this is what influencers do and how other social network algorithms work and that it would work here. It doesn’t.
In order for me to take money out from the Steem block-chain and into my bank account, there is a AU$50 minimum and I just don’t have the liquid Steem to cover it, so I power it up instead and it will be for retirement.
Eventually I hope to build up my account via Splinterlands, blog posting and so forth to the point where it’s paying me to travel overseas (which I can then blog about) and it starts paying for itself.
But if Steem doesn’t moon, I think that 30 years of powering up should still create a nice nest egg and I don’t starve when the global financial bubble bursts and FIAT becomes worthless.
It’s not a ponzi because I don’t have to invest a cent into Steem from now on if I don’t want to.
I am solely responsible for generating my own Steem (sure, affiliate payments from various sources are great but they are sporadic at best).
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There is a lot to get the head around here, but isn't that what one would expect from something that is also an investment model? I would be worried if there wasn't.
"I'm a whale" ----no. ;)
It is intersting how many people have been scammed in chats though by people pretending.
follow, unfollow, follow, unfollow... they don't get far, because the people who do follow them do not understand the place either.
And there are many people who never invested anything at all.
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What I wrote:
It stops people pretending to be whales pretty quickly.
What you wrote:
"I'm a whale" ----no. ;)
My rebuttal:
https://steemitboard.com/@tarazkp Steemitboard says "No, you aren't!"
Chuckle.
Telling lies is different from pretending.
Someone can claim they are a whale when they aren't, but a quick view of their wallet shows the truth and whether or not to trust them.
Due diligence is paramount.
Thanks for the engage tokens.
I've talked to the same person. I tried explaining the basics. To no avail. I first thought this person was a 2016'er of the whining type but then I realized most of them have already left and such a user would be unlikely to complain about curation rewards being a function of Steem Power.
Another example of people spewing shit about this project was Marius Kramer on Quora where he once again declared umpteen projects to be dead within 12 months. One of them was Steem because it was "an abandoned project". I tried correcting him and this wasn't the first time. The quality of information out there about the crypto sphere is very low.
I don't know Marius Kramer. What you will find is when yu know about something and someone says the wrong information, it is obvious. The interesting thing is that perhaps if you knew nothing about Steem, you would listen and expect all of those umpteen to be dead. I wonder how many actually live on.
It is a type of bias. Read a news paper article about something you are knowledeable in and you pick the mistakes and say "what trash". Turn the page and read an article on what you don't know about and you feel they did a good job of writing it.
That's how it works. Never blindly trust reporters.
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I like the analogy of washing the pots for the bank. Can't think straight enough to add any more to my comment, but it's late and my VP is high, so I'm going to chuck some votes out before bed. Five cents anyone? Splashing the cash. 😆
I wonder how many I would have to wash to get a share of Apple stocks. I am guessing they will make me do more than wash the dishes....
5 cents is 0.25 STEEM - that is a future 3 dollars so thank you! ;D
Can you explain how that is a future $3?
Well, if Steem goes to 12 dollars, 0.25 Steem is worth 3 ;D
@tipu curate
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We call it spit the dummy too. It's a great term!
It should be an interface.
STD coin
Oddly enough I had a similar conversation with a colleague yesterday. Anyone calling Steem a Ponzi scheme either doesn't know what one is or doesn't know Steem. That being said, there are definitely some blockchain projects which are scams.