Left Wing Irony
You know what's ironic, by the way?
Ironic is people laughing at the fact that creationists claim the world to be 6,000 years old, and how unscientific it is, when at the same those people run around claiming that people have 6,000 different genders.
That's ironic.
Neo-atheists believe that it is bullshit to believe that a divine being created the cosmos. To them, the universe needs no divine planner to come into existence. Spontaneous order takes care of everything. Yet, when you suggest that the same thing applies to economics, they loose their shit. For them there is a need for a 'regulator' a god like figure that balances everything out. It appears as though the absence of the belief in God among such people is replaced by a religious like faith in the state to create paradise on earth.
What about the people who believe that spontaneous order applies to both?
We are called realists.
Count me in! :)
Right on @ kyriacos. I used to to lean atheist for much of my 20's. The truth is, those w/the most religious fervor, make a claim to "know," what comes after you die. Or least have confidence that there is life after death. While those, who take a less theistic stance, still are making a claim that they "know" there isn't. But you really nail it when you say aethists seem to worship more of man made creations, including the most hidious abomonations we have created, "the state" being primary. Touting the benefits of the natural environment while admonishing the natural state of human existence as some sort of disease. Final thought...anyone who answers to no god, winds up worshipping the state....a man made abstraction which they claim to despise! Weird huh?
nicely put man.
Indeed. I guess people crave authority because they haven't learned standing my themselves.
The state is their crutch. They need not stand at all if they don't see fit! :0
most people need a crutch man
Yes. I've had the assumption for years now that "religion" is not a thing in and of itself, but rather just a form of a larger frame of mind that can take different forms. One of those forms just happens to be religion. You take the modern - or any, for that matter - left wing movement, and you'll quickly find out that they act exactly like the religious movements they mock.
The current left wing is just a more modernized version of what religion used to be. Very little is different, honestly.
They just swapped "God" with "Government", and there you go.
yeap, wrote extensively about this in the past. Religiosity is within each and everyone of us. A good example I often bring up is romantic love. Think about it. We just choose to believe that a random person that we happen to stumble upon is the best thing that happened to us...forever and ever.
There are 7+ billion people in the world..that's like assuming you can guess a normal password in one go. We are all born believers more or less.
Communism itself took hold when the state actively replaced religion with the state.
All economic theories, including the "invisible hand" and "free market" and "laisez-faire" ones, are equally religious.
Swapped out God for Government or Earth Mother or Culture or Equality or Justice.
Sometimes, with time, they work their way down the list, trying to find what they were sure they had found in the last one, until that falls apart and then they latch on to the next one, equally certain that "This is it."
Why do you keep singling out the "left" when the "right" is just as guilty of falling into the trap of government as god. Religious statists are just as bad as non religious statists.
Because the left does it more. That's not to say there aren't people on the right who "believe" in the government, but historically right wingers have been proponents of smaller government, whereas people on the left have wanted to expand the government.
Well, I'd argue that statists on the right only want smaller government when it comes to making money, for everything else (personal and social freedoms) they want as big a government and as much control as they can get. And I find it far more insidious that somebody can tell me what I can or can't do with my own body, in my own time, in my own home, than somebody telling me how I can or can't make money.
What's the difference? You can't really separate economic and social liberties. They are one and the same.
The difference is you can take away a persons right to express their identity regarding religion, ethnic background, and sex, without taking away their right to participate in the economy of the society they are a part of. While I admit the two are linked I don't believe they are one and the same, but I'm not intelligent or eloquent enough to be able to argue my opinion more than that.
Agreeing is boring 8-).
Perhaps believing that economies are self-balancing and that some "invisible hand" will lead to optimal results (for whom?) is equally religious. It sounds closer to magical thinking than to science.
If we have a goal for our economies, a preferred state, there is no guarantee automatic mechanisms and equilibriums will lead to it. Thinking there are is just as religious as thinking a state will take care of it.
Irony comes in many forms! To me, creationism is one form of irony! How can we be only 6000 years old yet carbon dating, a scientifically proven method, disproves this time and time again.
To me darwinists are a form of irony! How can a living thing be carbon dated to over a thousand years old? Carbon dating theories have holes in it that you can drive a truck through.
Don't get me wrong, creationists are off their rockers too.
In the future, we will look back at the ancient texts and say, well they did a pretty good job of trying to describe something impossible to describe. They will also look back and think how could we be so stupid as to believe all that stuff in those "science" books.
So true! Hilarious!
Hmmm is that Harry Potter?!
I've never been able to figure out whether it's Harry, or Harriet.
Well, its a good thing that the universe is only 1 millionth of a second old,
and that the only people that actually care about your gender are those who want to form a deeper bond then just having sex or being served a cup of coffee.
Chances are your into idolatry via scientism. Just a hunch.
ah the irony
Check out the Bret Weinstein podcast with Joe Rogan for "PC culture gone amuk." It's such a great insight into the dialectic war being waged in our culture and how instead of being productive, we are engaging in intellectual blackmail and bullying.
I'm sure it's interesting, but man, I just can't stand listening to Joe Rogan rant. He has interesting stuff, but it's his delivery that's very off putting for me.
I agree, he plays the "smart dumb guy", but the guest on the show is a professor who really holds his own. For anyone not familiar with the Evergreen college "scandal", it is just some more "Left Wing Irony." It's long but worth it.
Okay, I'll consider giving it a shot.
good^^
Ironic, moronic, platonic, bubonic; is there a concept that ends in "onic" that has any intrinsic value?
Besides Gin & Tonic.