RE: Question : At what height do we see curvature
Eh, I can't refute or necessarily explain the fact that you can't see something, but if I can see it and the scientific establishment says it's supposed to be there, then I have every reason to think the problem is with you. That's maybe not much of an argument for the Earth being round, but if you're just asking a question, then I'm fine just answering "well, I can see the curvature, so maybe it's something wrong with your eyes?"
Okay, describing lighthouses as specifically designed to send light over the horizon was an exaggeration and they'd be designed differently if that was the main goal; they're intended to send light as far as possible but that mostly means being visible at medium distances through bad weather, being visible over the horizon on clear nights is a useful side effect. The point is, powerful directional beams of light are visible over the horizon. Also, between the height of a shipboard observer and the height of the top of a lighthouse, some ships might simply have direct line-of-sight to some lighthouses over 20 miles' worth of curvature.
The first problem with that theory, and there are lots of problems with it, is that "Density" is a scalar quantity and not a force.
your not even making sense at this point , we can see ships go over the curve , but we cant see the curve , good point, very scientific. your a mad man if you claim to see a curve with your own eyes lmao
on a ball earth , wouldnt the curve affect the angle of the structure thus making it lean if its 20miles away? , maybe a 1% tilt? , which would scale the higher it goes from ground level? and light travels in a straight direction , MEANING , the lights would be traveling upwards,at that distance , wouldnt u think this abnormally would be visable? no? on a ball earth that lighthouse would be under the horizon , the same horizons that makes ships disappear....unless you have a curved line of sight , your theory is garbage
gravity is a theory , density is reality.
Its a shame , if you put that same amount of energy you got there attacking flat earthers on steemit , you could apply some geniuine research into the subject and wise up a little. I am not taking billions of dollars to shoot up parabolic rockets and make computer generated imagery in the name of science bro. But your seeing curves where there is none , unless your eyes are go pro lenses....
Were we not talking about how visible the curvature of the Earth is in pictures taken at high altitudes?
Light diffracts and shines on other things and generally is visible to people not in its direct path, we're not talking about a laser in a vacuum here. And you're conveniently ignoring my point about the heights of observer and observed.
Technically true, since a fact and a theory are different things, but "density causes things to fall" is a theory, and it's a much worse theory than gravity because, before any other issues with it, density isn't even a force.
I'm looking at obviously wrong things and giving off-the-top-of-my-head reasons why the obviously wrong things are wrong - you think this is effort for me?
your not , your just being devils advocate against flat earthers for some reason , be genuine and do some research and stop pulling theories out if your a@$ lmao
Believing in bigfoot is seen as ridiculous because it's a very uncommon belief that's contrary to what mainstream science teaches... so it's weird for a flat-Earther to use "this is like saying you've seen bigfoot" as if it's a diss.
Well, that makes two of us giving up on repeating ourselves.
Since causing things to move is one of the defining properties of a force, and you said "density causes objects to rise and fall, not gravity", it's you who said density needed to be a force.
You obviously have no idea what "devil's advocate" means.
If I wanted a debate that involved actual research, I'd debate people with more plausible beliefs than flat-Earthers, who have some chance of actually proving me wrong - like Marxists or Young Earth Creationists. Or people who think Bigfoot is real.
lmao , this is what wiki says about gravity my friend (where force is concerned)
Gravity is the weakest of the four fundamental forces of physics, approximately 1038 times weaker than the strong force, 1036 times weaker than the electromagnetic force and 1029 times weaker than the weak force. As a consequence, it has no significant influence at the level of subatomic particles.
you sir have no foundation , yet you contradict yourself
"I'd debate people with more plausible beliefs than flat-Earthers, who have some chance of actually proving me wrong - like Marxists or Young Earth Creationists. Or people who think Bigfoot is real."
i used bigfoot to show you how stupid belief is , but apparently you have to tap dance than give me anything tangble. Fact is , you only debate people who are misinformed and you see their flaws , you have no argument but your focusing on bigfoot now lmao. let people enjoy flat earth instead of being a douche who cant prove anything , why dont you go to syria or something and tell muslims their god is false , lol im sure that wont end well , but you pick of flat earthers because why , we are asking questions? lol sure im not phased by your wordplay. nice try :)
What part of anything I said contradicts those facts about gravity in any way? Although, you're missing a superscript there, 10^38 and 1038 are very different things.
Most flatearth posts are "here's why the Earth is flat" or very thinly veiled versions of that like "just asking questions". That's effectively an invitation to debate, even if the real intention is "see, no-one had the guts to respond! I guess that means the Earth really is flat!" - some self-destructive part of me that wants to waste time on stupid arguments on the internet is drawn to that skinnerbox, where actual ideologies worth debating are more posting about internal debates over minutiae or other fights that aren't as easy to jump into as "Is the Earth flat Y/N?".
Also, flatearthism is a literal conspiracy theory, so the burden of proof is on you guys.
so you debate someone who you think is stupid and that makes you intelligent, , its not my job to wake the sheeple up , but i will live in my reality as opposed to some guy on the internet that profits off misinformation. at one point you didn't have any clue what cryptocurrencies were, you where presented with information and you did your research so you wont be fooled by refferal whores , pump and dumpers , scammers , so save me your non sense. how can you debate something you have no knowledge of bruh , research it yourself, make it a field of study instead of a just believe, it doesnt matter which is correct , but im not going to take anyones word , mathematical equation , theory , religious believe of what i experience daily on earth , its that simple , i dont care to convince anyone , but i'll make my message curate regardless. so dont waste your time bro, i dont go in peoples churches trying to tell them there is no jesus , unless your inviting for an opposing opinion, we both are on opposing ends of the conversation , nasa are the ones with the money putting out the brainwash , im just a ordinary person , what the fuck can i do bruh , i cant build hedron collidors , parabolic rockets , i might be able to create a ball earth simulation for you, vice versa , its highly unlikely you have any convincing evidence, other than your content spun rethoric.
the mayans existed more than 20,000 years ago , their depiction of the cosmos was not a ball i can say that as a fact , your so called heliocentric model is new , the original doesnt have to prove it self. fyi , 99% of people who are flat earthers now , where globe earthers at some point , globe earthers are never open minded to the subject so its no wonder you cant assimilate the information in a rational way , no body asking you to believe flat earth , it exists , your probably but hurt because your coins literally cant and will never reach the moon , it will create the illusion but , alt coin developers are happy to keep you sheeps occupied and distracted , aruging with people for knowledge you barely even know. 75% of your indoctrinated version of the universe is a mystery , they call it dark matter lmao , braddda , u do not know de wey , send me a selfie when mars is terraformed
Wow, getting really defensive now. Which was it that triggered you, "literal conspiracy theory", or "burden of proof"?