What Was Known As "Sola Scriptura" ?
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I want to talk today about: "Sola Scriptura"
Let's look very closely the Book Of John chap1...
Sola Scriptura was the chant of the reformation.
In Latin it means, "by Scripture alone"
It is a Christian doctrine which states that the Bible are the sole infallible rule of faith and practice.
The problem is that the scriptures were NEVER intended for that purpose.
When the Jews opened up the scriptures it was to start a discussion - one that would often end in multiple conclusions.
Today Christians open the scriptures to END the discussion - to create no possibly conclusion other than the "right" one.
Here's the deal - Jesus is the sole infallible rule of faith and practice. HE is the Word of God, not the Bible.
Many scriptures point to Him, others are His very words, many were inspired by Him, but there are also many scriptures that Jesus wholeheartedly disagreed with!
Not to mention the Bible isn't a flat document! It covers a people who evolved over thousands of years in their worship of God and their understanding of that God. The way they relate to God and what they believe about God changes... and that's even before Jesus rocks up in Bethlehem!
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"Sola Scriptura" était le chant de la réforme.
En latin, cela signifie, "par l'Écriture seule"
C'est une doctrine chrétienne qui affirme que la Bible est la seule règle infaillible de foi et de pratique.
Le problème est que les écritures n'étaient JAMAIS destinées à cette fin.
Lorsque les Juifs ont ouvert les Écritures, il s'agissait de commencer une discussion - qui finirait souvent par des conclusions multiples.
Aujourd'hui, les chrétiens ouvrent les Écritures pour terminer la discussion - pour ne créer aucune conclusion autre que la «droite ou parfaite».
Voici l'affaire - Jésus est la seule règle infaillible de foi et de pratique. Il est la Parole de Dieu. Jesus n'est pas la Bible.
Beaucoup d'Écritures l'indiquent, d'autres sont ses propres paroles, beaucoup ont été inspirés par Lui, mais il y a aussi beaucoup d'Écritures dont Jésus était sans conteste!
Sans parler de la Bible, ce n'est pas un document plat! Il couvre un peuple qui a évolué pendant des milliers d'années dans leur culte de Dieu et leur compréhension de ce Dieu. La façon dont ils se rapportent à Dieu et ce qu'ils croient à propos de Dieu change ... et c'est avant même que Jésus ne tombe à Bethléhem!
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Amen! The Word of God is Jesus, not the bible.
Hallelujah... Jesus is the Word, not the bible... @garthfreeman you are a blessing for many!
I believe they're both the Word of God, in different ways. Since Jesus is part of the Trinity, it's hard to say exactly how He's God's Word, but we know He is. And the Bible is also God's Word. The BOOK, the physical book and the physical writings, aren't God. But the WORDS are, and it's His message to us.
That's an interesting take on it. You're saying the actual words written in the Bible are God? I got to ask, which Bible? Even if you go back to the manuscripts we have, they're not all the same. Which one is God? Do you pray to the Bible?
I'm guessing you didn't mean it exactly like that, but it's interesting that is how it came out. I think when you say the Bible is "The Word of God" that you are saying that the Bible is God. The Bible makes it clear that Jesus is the Word of God, and it goes all the way back to the Old Testament. John didn't invent the idea, he was using a long established tradition of referring to God as "The Word." It's a personal title for the visible appearance of God, like The Angel of The Lord.
The title goes all the way back to Genesis. Read Genesis 15, where God ratifies the covenant with Abraham.. Here's vs 1&2
If you check the original Hebrew you'll see that Abraham calls The Word of God YHWH. The Word of God IS YHWH. This is actually a very old tradition, and John used "Logos" specifically to refer back to the Old Testament Idea of "The Word." It's the Greek word used in the Septuagint to translate the Hebrew dabar (דָּבָר). Later, the Rabis would write the Targums in Aramaic and they would use Memre. They'd actually insert Memre into passages that didn't use the title "Word of YHWH."
The problem with calling a book by that title is that there's not one specific book you can point to and say, "that's it." Every Bible translation is different, and just about every manuscript is different. Is God a poor communicator? I say rather, the Bible contains the words of God, but "The Word of God" is Jesus.
It may seem like a subtle distinction, but I don't think it is. I'm not saying you're doing it, but many people who say "the bible is the Word of God" actually mean "my interpretation of the Bible is the Word of God."
If you're interested in the Old Testament roots of the idea, it's a fascinating study. A good place to start would be this video: Where Did the NT Writers Get the Idea of Jesus as Co-Creator?
This isn't an attack on you, just me explaining what I meant. Have a great Sunday!
No problem. I'll look at that link sometime. And actually, we were having a discussion on free will and predestination awhile back, and a few things came up, and I never got back to you on it after writing half a reply. I hope sometime to still do that.
On this, it's like I said. The Bible isn't God, but it's His Word, and His message to us. That's what Christians take "God's Word" to mean. It's not everything He's said, because obviously it isn't. But it's His message to us - "God's Word" to us. It doesn't matter, either, if in the ancient texts there's slight differences. I've studied them. If you trust in the Lord, then you have His word in the Bible, and the Holy Spirit to help you with it. You can't go wrong unless the Lord allows them to, for whatever reason, and there are many possible ones.
But we need God's Word, the Bible. And wherever Christians reject it, they soon rejects its most important truths and end up in spiritual shipwreck. The Jim Jones cult is one of the most extreme examples, but the "mainline Protestant" churches and the Catholic Church too are also examples.
I understand your perspective, but I just disagree I guess. I think that saying "God's Word" is a little better, though. However, I still take issue with the idea on the grounds that there aren't any two versions of the Bible that are exactly identical. This is one of the reasons Christians disagree on so much despite having the "same Bible."
I don't reject the Bible, but neither do I worship it. I think it contains some of the words of God, and it's the best source for us to get to know Jesus at first. However, I do think that many Christians pretty much worship the Bible, making an idol out of it. It's this kind of attitude towards the Bible my reaction is really against.
If ten people read the same scripture and come away with ten different interpretations then how do you deal with that? If the bible is "The Word of God" then that makes God a poor communicator, IMO. I think it's better to stick with what the bible actually says IS the Word of God, and that's Jesus. This way, we can have disagreements about interpretation but if we all have a relationship with the Lord then we'll find new depth in the Bible by our interacting with each other with grace and humility. I find a lot of Christians aren't capable of that, and it seems to me that an overly elevated of the Bible is one of the reasons.
Have you ever heard this: "If the Bible says it, I believe it?" Well, it's my opinion that a lot of what the Bible says is very difficult to understand. For example, you mentioned rejecting important truths: well which ones? For some, eternal conscious torment is an important truth they see in the Bible, while I think it is imported into the Bible by tradition originating from Greek philosophy. Many will claim that Predestination is an important truth, but I would argue they are misinterpreting several passages to come up with the doctrine.
The Catholics take Jesus' proclamation that He was giving Peter the "keys to the Kingdom" as a license to establish political authority on earth, while Protestants generally take a different interpretation. Jews don't think Isaiah 53 is Messianic. Mennonites believe that the Bible teaches unequivocal pacifism. Seventh day Adventists think Christians must follow the Old Testament Laws. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
What we all agree on (hopefully) is that Jesus is the Son of God, and He died for our sins. We agree that salvation is through grace through faith (except Catholics and maybe a few others.)
Anyway, sorry for rambling. I tend to do that. Have a nice evening!
Do you believe in one truth or do you think truth is subjective?
I believe in Jesus and Jesus is The Truth ... John 14:6
You are blessed dear beloved
"Many scriptures point to Him, others are His very words, many were inspired by Him, but there are also many scriptures that Jesus wholeheartedly disagreed with!"
Which ones?
Do you know something?
Jim Jones led a cult that ended with almost 1000 people committing suicide.
The turning point was when he took the Bible, threw it on the floor in front of his congregation, and told them that he was their ultimate authority as their pastor, not the Bible.
Those 900-something people would not have died if they had followed the Bible, and not him.
I believe the Bible myself because I know it to be God's Word.
I think you are confusing the scriptures and God's word Jesus! but it's ok, I understand!
No, I'm not confusing anything. Have a nice day.
Enjoy as well dear in Christ!
Au début était la parole, et la parole était Dieu pas la bible Amen. Et tu sais merci pour les traductions françaises, c'est super. Dieu élargie les piquets de la tente !!
amen amen amennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, Jesus est la parole de Dieu et il vit en nous pas la bible! Gloire a son nom