Mujica was one of the most impressive, most humble presidents the world has ever seen. In the west, not much about him has been heard, obviously. But this guy refused the presidential payout and came to work by bike every day (not to be confused with UK's Boris Johnson, lol). People knocked at his door day in, day out and he was a social hub. If we would have more politicians like him, I would actually go to vote but since we don't, questions about socialism or capitalism are pointless, because it is all the same bullshit ism-sauce that I don't want to have anything to do with.
I'll say this much about Mujica. He may be one of the most coherent leftist in as much as he has managed to kept a simple, humble image and he projects himself as an idealist old sage. But he is also a hypocrite. He keeps defending a lost cause, a cause that has done more harm to the poor because it used their expectations not only to keep them being poor, as it has been the case in Venezuela, but also made poors of the middle class, the demographics that could have done much for the country.
He publicly acknowledged that Maduro was an idiot, an animal, literally, and yet he was cynical about questions regarding Maduro's abuses and the political prisoners.
True capitalist societies have promised too much and delivered too little in terms of american-dream sort of expetations, but to think that it'd be better to lean towards socialism because capitalism has screwed up and take leftist latina american as an example shows either great ignorance of what is happening here or even greater cynicism.
Mujica does nothing different from what "comunist" china and russia have done. They recognized that private enterprise is the only way a country can suceed economically; what they have managed is to combine a capitalist economy with communist/socialist social and political control of the population.
Latin american leftist leaders have done worse because they have not even been able to guarantee that the patient/disease host will survive so that they, the disease, can continue feeding and prospering from it.
The leaders of the venezuelan revolution have been cynical enough to admit it publicly, they'd rather see the country destroyed.
Yes, I agree. No question about it. It is just a pity he can be so ambivalent about the most dangerous aspect of that failed ideology. I have to find the videos where when it comes to human rights and repression he fails to be as candid and enlightening as he is on other matters.
Mujica is the exception. This Lord has set a good example in what he preaches ... But, as a Venezuelan, I would never prefer socialism ... on the contrary, I hate socialism, even the word socialism I hate ... maybe it's because gave it to me to know the wrong person, and in the worst way !!! In my country Venezuela, when there was capitalism, everything was better !!! better!!!. This socialism is the worst thing that has happened to my beloved Venezuela!
Coming from the Caribbean, I understand my brothers from Latin America, Meno one of the points people often miss about Latin America is the fact that it has a strong colonial past that exploited the people. That's what Simon Bolivar fought and it is that same philosophy most build their government around, trying take care of their people and ensure that this exploitation never shows it head again. The reality of the philosophy haven't gone well with Washington that's why regime change policy has been so vibrant in Latin America. The Americans come an see fertile land and lots of resources and the possibility of making a killing, thinking like a capitalist, its a farm to be taken over. You get the picture clearer when you study Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venezuela. The idea is never about money, its about ensuring that my people isn't exploited and the resources belong to them.
Lots of people still don't realize why Chavez choose Maduro, you know how much companies try to buy him out, you know how much money was thrown at him. In fact, one of the Oil executive call him an idiot but you need to understand that these people aren't ideological and this neo-liberal path mix with American interest isn't going to work because that part of history has already been defeated.
Let me give you my take, capitalism is good because it can harness that drive of human ambition but it at times lacks the touch of heart. America is actually decaying, not because there isn't enough money to get by but its people don't understand their system and looks at other country and wonder why can't the government take care of this basic need. Well the answer is obvious to me but its not obvious to them, THE NOT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.
The long game really, Latin America would be fine, its rich enough to run a socialism if they choose that part but a country like America can't that, its already 22 trillion in debt and it needs that human drive to continue to create businesses and take risk to add to GDP to keep the engine going. I wish American foreign policy would give other countries the time to grow and mature, it took them over 200 years to mature and currently its manifestation at the very top is exporting a kind of ideology that can take us back into the stone age. When you see the attack on immigrants, you realize the system itself does not know itself, that's what built it. Enough said but the right vs left would spin it and say well its really "legal immigration" and then I laugh out loud and ask them to look at the tech companies and S&P 500 companies, go ask their parents if they up to this day has legal papers, some probably just manage to slip in. Probably type to much but Mujica talk here on a level few would understand because it of depth and context
He was just bullshiting,or not..I'll never know...my problem is not with him...it is with you .😎...I didn't expect you saying that we should let the cancer grow..it's good..it feeds the masses,the rats..
Well,that's the problem...looks like Capitalism has better editors...makes it easier to swallow...I was born in communism,lived it for 20 yrs...I been in the US for the last 25 yrs...
I share your disdain for communism abbak, as a matter of fact my lady is Russian and I know all the stories.
As I say in the video, lefty ideas come from good intentions but they are not implementable, at least not without violence, hence the core issue with Communism.
Corporatios came from comunisms or capitalism?...that's the bottom line...who is gonna treat as like a bunch,even kill you ,for that penny..who?
Don't get me wrong...I'm in no way any kind of radical ..I'm just a lost person ..that looks around...and all options suck...
You landed on the core issue there. These seemingly opposing ideologies need each other to keep some sort of balance in the world. Until we invent something better, that is.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Until we have something that is better than capitalism to drive humanity, we need to coexist with it.
I think it's a realistic position. It sure doesn't feel good to say, more so because the world is ruled by corporations. But, again, how do we not regress.
I don't have the remedy...but after so many yrs leaving in the US...it makes me feel embarrassed as a person,and my American dream ..they just gave enough so people wouldn't bitch...that's the only difference....and lots of wasted energy,just to compete..
one of the greatest characters in world! <3
Mujica was one of the most impressive, most humble presidents the world has ever seen. In the west, not much about him has been heard, obviously. But this guy refused the presidential payout and came to work by bike every day (not to be confused with UK's Boris Johnson, lol). People knocked at his door day in, day out and he was a social hub. If we would have more politicians like him, I would actually go to vote but since we don't, questions about socialism or capitalism are pointless, because it is all the same bullshit ism-sauce that I don't want to have anything to do with.
I like Mujica a lot myself, and like I said. He walked the talk. This video is about me admiring his honesty.
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I'll say this much about Mujica. He may be one of the most coherent leftist in as much as he has managed to kept a simple, humble image and he projects himself as an idealist old sage. But he is also a hypocrite. He keeps defending a lost cause, a cause that has done more harm to the poor because it used their expectations not only to keep them being poor, as it has been the case in Venezuela, but also made poors of the middle class, the demographics that could have done much for the country.
He publicly acknowledged that Maduro was an idiot, an animal, literally, and yet he was cynical about questions regarding Maduro's abuses and the political prisoners.
True capitalist societies have promised too much and delivered too little in terms of american-dream sort of expetations, but to think that it'd be better to lean towards socialism because capitalism has screwed up and take leftist latina american as an example shows either great ignorance of what is happening here or even greater cynicism.
Mujica does nothing different from what "comunist" china and russia have done. They recognized that private enterprise is the only way a country can suceed economically; what they have managed is to combine a capitalist economy with communist/socialist social and political control of the population.
Latin american leftist leaders have done worse because they have not even been able to guarantee that the patient/disease host will survive so that they, the disease, can continue feeding and prospering from it.
The leaders of the venezuelan revolution have been cynical enough to admit it publicly, they'd rather see the country destroyed.
I personally like Mujica, but I would never see him as flawless. Let's not forget he's just as human as you and me.
That being said, his honesty about the efficiency of Socialism when it comes to well being of societies is a breath of fresh air.
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Yes, I agree. No question about it. It is just a pity he can be so ambivalent about the most dangerous aspect of that failed ideology. I have to find the videos where when it comes to human rights and repression he fails to be as candid and enlightening as he is on other matters.
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Mujica is the exception. This Lord has set a good example in what he preaches ... But, as a Venezuelan, I would never prefer socialism ... on the contrary, I hate socialism, even the word socialism I hate ... maybe it's because gave it to me to know the wrong person, and in the worst way !!! In my country Venezuela, when there was capitalism, everything was better !!! better!!!. This socialism is the worst thing that has happened to my beloved Venezuela!
Coming from the Caribbean, I understand my brothers from Latin America, Meno one of the points people often miss about Latin America is the fact that it has a strong colonial past that exploited the people. That's what Simon Bolivar fought and it is that same philosophy most build their government around, trying take care of their people and ensure that this exploitation never shows it head again. The reality of the philosophy haven't gone well with Washington that's why regime change policy has been so vibrant in Latin America. The Americans come an see fertile land and lots of resources and the possibility of making a killing, thinking like a capitalist, its a farm to be taken over. You get the picture clearer when you study Castro in Cuba and Chavez in Venezuela. The idea is never about money, its about ensuring that my people isn't exploited and the resources belong to them.
Lots of people still don't realize why Chavez choose Maduro, you know how much companies try to buy him out, you know how much money was thrown at him. In fact, one of the Oil executive call him an idiot but you need to understand that these people aren't ideological and this neo-liberal path mix with American interest isn't going to work because that part of history has already been defeated.
Let me give you my take, capitalism is good because it can harness that drive of human ambition but it at times lacks the touch of heart. America is actually decaying, not because there isn't enough money to get by but its people don't understand their system and looks at other country and wonder why can't the government take care of this basic need. Well the answer is obvious to me but its not obvious to them, THE NOT HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS.
The long game really, Latin America would be fine, its rich enough to run a socialism if they choose that part but a country like America can't that, its already 22 trillion in debt and it needs that human drive to continue to create businesses and take risk to add to GDP to keep the engine going. I wish American foreign policy would give other countries the time to grow and mature, it took them over 200 years to mature and currently its manifestation at the very top is exporting a kind of ideology that can take us back into the stone age. When you see the attack on immigrants, you realize the system itself does not know itself, that's what built it. Enough said but the right vs left would spin it and say well its really "legal immigration" and then I laugh out loud and ask them to look at the tech companies and S&P 500 companies, go ask their parents if they up to this day has legal papers, some probably just manage to slip in. Probably type to much but Mujica talk here on a level few would understand because it of depth and context
What a bunch of crap...no offense,until today you didn't shocked me...u did now..
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None taken, but could you elaborate on your point. You think Mujica is wrong then?
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He was just bullshiting,or not..I'll never know...my problem is not with him...it is with you .😎...I didn't expect you saying that we should let the cancer grow..it's good..it feeds the masses,the rats..
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The cancer socialism or the cancer capitalism? Pick your poison.
Hahaha perfectly stated.
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Well,that's the problem...looks like Capitalism has better editors...makes it easier to swallow...I was born in communism,lived it for 20 yrs...I been in the US for the last 25 yrs...
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I share your disdain for communism abbak, as a matter of fact my lady is Russian and I know all the stories.
As I say in the video, lefty ideas come from good intentions but they are not implementable, at least not without violence, hence the core issue with Communism.
As my father says. Good idea, wrong species.
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Corporatios came from comunisms or capitalism?...that's the bottom line...who is gonna treat as like a bunch,even kill you ,for that penny..who?
Don't get me wrong...I'm in no way any kind of radical ..I'm just a lost person ..that looks around...and all options suck...
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You landed on the core issue there. These seemingly opposing ideologies need each other to keep some sort of balance in the world. Until we invent something better, that is.
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"Good idea, wrong species." hah I like that!
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Until we have something that is better than capitalism to drive humanity, we need to coexist with it.
I think it's a realistic position. It sure doesn't feel good to say, more so because the world is ruled by corporations. But, again, how do we not regress.
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I don't have the remedy...but after so many yrs leaving in the US...it makes me feel embarrassed as a person,and my American dream ..they just gave enough so people wouldn't bitch...that's the only difference....and lots of wasted energy,just to compete..
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