My Thoughts About In-Flight Pesticide Sprays (and a bit about vaccines and "chemtrails")

in #life7 years ago (edited)

Here's something that I find pretty alarming, having experienced a mandatory in-flight (pesticide) spray, recently being my flight from Thailand to Malaysia. Here's why it's alarming - there were ZERO notifications about it until about 20 minutes before landing, in which they pull up the loudspeaker, saying there's a spray that they must administer in the plane.

To be fair, there are notices about flight routes mandating such pesticide sprays. But the fact that it has completely gone over my knowledge that such a thing exists until the point where I had no choice but to accept the situation that the spray must be carried away, is in itself quite a legit cause of alarm. I wish that the airline company went out of their way to inform of such a thing. It did not happen (or it must have been as insignificant as those fine-print T&Cs).

In a twisted way that the procedure is actually meant to safeguard the health of passengers, it almost felt like an assault to me for a couple of reasons:-

  • There was an article back in 2015 titled "Should fliers worry about pesticide spraying on planes?" I think it would make better sense to replace the word "fliers" with "outliers". Like fatal peanut allergies, I certainly think there would be outliers, people with the very rare chance of reacting negatively to such sprays. One death is probably too many, for an event that could be prevented.

  • The cabin itself is a social situation in which I felt obligated not to cause a scene by starting to question the flight crews over something that must absolutely be administered. So I just accepted the spray and I count myself lucky that it doesn't have any adverse effects on me.

I think from this little experience, I might've learned about the concerns of "anti-vaxxers" and "anti-chemtrailers" (maybe). Although I've yet to study their claims comprehensively, I think the situation may be fundamentally the same as the mental process that I went through with the in-flight sprays. Perhaps the worry is simply about the outlier / rare chance and its negative effects. It's a tricky situation since most health-related solutions are just statistically effective, without the guarantee that effects are the same for everybody.

In my opinion, it's not so much that certain people may have diabolical plans, hellbent on harming others. It's about the possibility that most people involved in the process - from researchers, manufacturers, legislators, and in the end, solution administrators (in my case, the flight-attendant) may be discounting the harms that such solutions may cause to a select group of people. Systemic errors may spiral out of control upon hitting a certain threshold.

"My job requires me to spray this, so I just do it."

You may try analogise this in other situations, and it's actually one of the most dangerous habits anyone can develop. Basically following instructions / fulfilling duty without taking responsibility of the consequences. It's the easiest thing to do, yet potentially destructive. After spraying, I asked the flight attendant about the spray.. and the answer wasn't very satisfactory for the potential damage that such a thing may cause.

So here's something to learn (for all parties):-

  • If you're on duty, know what you're actually doing to others. Maybe it's impossible for everybody learn and understand the possible effects of whatever they're executing, and instead rely more to expert opinion in order to be able to "just do it" (which is a fairly reasonable thing to do, although admittedly ignorant), but what remains here is that we should recognise the possible systemic dangers that arise out of our assumptions and dependence of experts (they aren't infallible).

  • Maybe it should be made known to everybody in this world to take up the task of learning everything that has to do with airplanes and its flight protocols. That is, take up the responsibility to completely understand "what one is getting into". Yes, that's meant to sound a bit silly.. and that's the point here: it may be silly to explain everything about airplanes to flight customers, but what's not silly is to prioritise informing people about in-flight sprays way beforehand, and try to make sure that the message has been received!

  • It's okay if an information sounds conspiracy-ish. There's nothing wrong with information and there may be some truth to it. It's simply a better option not to completely discount something just because it doesn't feel right. Personally, I've always likened "conspiracy theorists" to people who are simply trying to remind others to be vigilant.

  • A related note: Until genome sequencing and individually-tailored medical solutions become possible and affordable, there's really no good choice but to accept a solution that has been proven to be effective "for the greater good" - I'm looking at vaccines. And for the case of "chemtrails", it's just so high up in the atmosphere, and not a very smart way to do it, if indeed such trails are by design. However in these cases, I'm willing to concede that systemic hazards may have crept in from a messy combination of "experts being mistaken" and "people just doing their job without questioning".

Before ending my piece here, please check out the following links so you can find out about these in-flight sprays, study the information and learn about it. It's okay to question the parties involved, if not to remind them to be vigilant too:-


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People should always have a choice and give consent. They should be informed of these pesticide sprays in advance - pesticides are not risk free and it is possible some people may have adverse reactions. That way at least the have the option to avoid by not taking the flight.

It is akin to performing a medical procedure without consent which under normal circumstances would be considered an assault.

People should always have a choice and give consent.

In this case I'd say ticket purchase = consent, but the airline company should've made it extremely clear. But what may be worse is if it's not a thing that's implied or addressed by the contract of purchase lol

It wouldn't count as informed consent unless it was made explicitly clear and the person agreed to it. Even if it was in the T&C most people don't read those.

If it were a medical procedure that would not be a defence! You would need to ensure that the subject/patient understood what they were agreeing to otherwise you could be sued for negligence.

I think from a moral standpoint this is very similar - although it is unlikely there is always the possibility that someone could have a severe, even life threatening, reaction to the pesticide.

I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I find it frightening that there is a sense in which the global society has been so conditioned to consider this as even possibly okay in any way. It's no different than forced vaccines, imposing chemicals into someone else's body against their will (or without knowledge).
Also, follow the money. Someone is profiting off this.

We are being forced more and more to do things. I'm not saying that there is no potential benefit from doing this kind of spraying but I think it is wrong to force people to do things like this particularly when there are potential health implications.

I think spraying people without their consent with chemicals that are designed to kill life is HORRIFIC. I will be checking every single flight I take from now on. I don't agree with the logic that chemicals are safe just because they've been manufactured by a big corporation. Let's not forget DDT, Agent orange and glyphosate.

Well to be fair, buying the flight ticket is already a consent (i'm sure the T&Cs will draw it that way..).

Good for you standing up to this...

We have to assume everyone that gets these toxic molecules is harmed in some way. This is very easy to prove, these molecules are by definition toxic (check the MSDS) and there are many lab tests and studies that show pesticides can be found all over the body including the umbilical cord. The various types of pesticides number in the thousands. Additionally it is shown that these molecules build up and don't breakdown as easily as other natural toxins (I think of them as plastic). Having them around provides a toxic load and creates cell division problems that the immune system must constantly mange. So, I hope your diet is fantastic, you really relying on this more these days to stay alive and free of cancer (which btw is very profitable for some).

Obviously manufacturers must keep this risk low enough to stay under the radar (and much lower we hope). But hope is not good enough, this is even violates the non-aggression principal which is basically the least common denominator of all laws. This is a crime no matter how you cut it. It is an act of aggression by everyone involved. I encourage everyone to stand up for themselves and encourage others to do so, until then we will continue to be violated.

When we do take a stance, other solutions for the stated problem will be found. Until then, it is way to easy to take the cheep toxic way out. Remember, we have to also investigate the stated problem they are trying to address. The people implementing these policies we find are often acting out of profit or fear and did not fully appreciate the scientific process. In all cases, our rights to health must not be violated or we need to take action because a law has been violated.

So, I hope your diet is fantastic, you really relying on this more these days to stay alive and free of cancer (which btw is very profitable for some).

Remember, we have to also investigate the stated problem they are trying to address. The people implementing these policies we find are often acting out of profit or fear and did not fully appreciate the scientific process. In all cases, our rights to health must not be violated or we need to take action because a law has been violated.

After reading this, now I see your concerns about these matters. I think the community revolving around these debates would do well stating that the hazards are a simple consequence of business / politics / negligence, instead of how it'll usually sound like for most casual listeners (most would assume right away that someone is out there destroying lives just for the sake of it).

And yes, in this case I think airline companies ought to take this seriously - to inform and make sure the message is understood.

Better the small risk a few people might experience from the pesticide, than the huge ecological and health risk that can arise from misplaced species. It is an obligation to society, and remember the chemicals are checked for safety, and the flight and ground crew receive frequent exposure without detriment.
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Yup that's true, it's the same with vaccines (what i think about it anyway). Just for the flight spray, I felt like it should be the biggest notice for passengers even way before boarding / buying the flight which is pretty much the point of this post..

If you actually thought it could be harmful, then you were morally in the wrong for not speaking up.

We both know that there was no harm in it, though, which is why you didn't make a big deal out of it—because it wasn't a big deal.

There are better things to be outraged about, like government torture camps. Pesticides aren't a noble application of your outrage energy.

Sneak it is scary just thinking about standing up in a AP full of people. That takes some mental preparation (I know, I'm preparing for this right now). Lol.. I suggest to do it in a way that will encourage other passengers to stand up too so they will certainly spare the cabin.

Pesticides cause cancer. I think this is nobile application of energy. What kind of world would this be if people were allowed to go around doing things that put other people at risk for cancer? (this is exactally what kind of world we have today)...

The cabin itself is a social situation in which I felt obligated not to cause a scene by starting to question the flight crews over something that must absolutely be administered. So I just accepted the spray and I count myself lucky that it doesn't have any adverse effects on me.

I did want to say something, and there's a very small chance of misfortune, in which i probably thought "it won't happen to me".. but it remains as something that could be improved (as in procedure of informing) , and yes agreed i'm at wrong there as i let it slide.

I didn't know that such sprays exist!! but this should be a concern not only to passengers who get one exposure from time to time but also to the flight crew who most likely gets exposed to this spray on the regular basis.

Yes the hope is to spread the awareness that such a spray exists.

That is not something I would be comfortable with. Who knows what the hell they are spraying. When I was in the Navy we were asked to use all kinds of chemicals that the guys would use without protection. As a nurse I always wondered what the long term effects would be.

I'd prefer to assume that everybody has done their job in making sure shit doesn't happen.. aka best solution conceivable for a time, but yeah it should be called into question, at least once a while.

I had no idea inflight sprays were a thing. Huh. Thanks for sharing.

Read that it's for yellow fever, in my case. It's a thing..

hey buddy!

https://steemit.com/travel/@knozaki2015/poisoned-30-000-feet-above-the-ground

check this out. I wrote about this topic half year ago too. ;)

it is totally insane that they are spraying this shit into our faces.

i assume such a spray isn't all that common compared to all flight routes available, right ? I dunno, if it wasn't that safe, why'd they just spray to so many people? But just thinking about it, it's actually pretty nuts..

I think most flights to the us from europe spray it. and many asian carrier use it too.

LOL that doesn't sound uncommon..

took me a while to find that post via search ;)

scrolling back is a pain!

I think in my case it's pretty impossible ;) over 400 posts I guess by now

Yes, there are several systems for spraying inside the plane itslef, also to "control a dangerous situation".
Besides this most intrusive method of spraying, i belive that the chemtrails in themselves (outside) are not filtred in 80/90% of the flights. Checkout this site about pilots coming forward and suffering with it. aerotoxic.org There are many incidents. Thanks for posting, i do not consent !

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