RE: Simple Piecemaking Tournament
Compared to Voidmage, Gorgon:
- needs other pieces to provide mobility (<< VM, esp. tier 3)
- all it does is stun for 1 turn (<< voided for rest of match)
- needs other pieces to kill / render target useless
So it's slower twice (get in, kill), and requires ally (allies) to do anything with / during the effect.
Insane amount of control ? Insane range, that's about it. Control that doesn't kill, doesn't last, and isn't flexible to point / relocate elsewhere is quite a liable control. The same column you cannot place your units on for it to keep stunning (except DNBM). Opponent can counterplay by:
- porting stunned piece away
- place low value / immune target in front
- take Gorgon out, either by Alchemist curing stunned target for that 1 turn needed to kill, or any other piece from other columns, and possibly for free with magic, poison, ranged, which without mobility is quite real weakness
- push / threaten elsewhere, leave Gorgon occupied / active on weak target, his owner just lost champion slot and 10 value worth of defense elsewhere
The best case scenario for Gorgon - when opposing turtling setup, with limited range, slow advance, lack of pressure / number of threats. And 2 of 3 goals we were supposed to aim for are to discourage exactly that kind of opposing tactic / setup. In my view, Gorgon is better for being this way, not worse. The cost imo is fair for what it can do and what it is susceptible to.
And lastly - if Gorgon had displacement-immune - I wouldn't put tiers 0 .. 2 in my setup ever, and would hesitate and think twice to include tier 3, even if all tiers costed 0.
If you consider it OP enough to leave it out of competition, it's better it stays out. Because that feedback I'm not going to agree with or reflect in any way. At least GodOfTomatoes, me, and possibly others later don't have to waste more time commenting on this piece - in this competition, to be precise.
Your comment seems to forget that the ability is a trigger? It doesn't just stun for 1 turn, it stuns indefinitely. I compared it to voidmage because the ways to defend are similar - You either place a low-value piece in front and still have it get hit with the effect, or kill the Gorgon. I'm not sure what you mean by the last point in counterplaying, pushing elsewhere doesn't stop the trigger effect. In that way Gorgon is stronger than voidmage, which takes a turn to do it's magic. Also pieces can move after being exposed to void magic which helps a little at least. Of course, the fact that it can only target 1 unit is a weakness, but poison/thunder will be pretty effective at ignoring this. With range 7, I would prefer gorgon+++ over voidmage+++ in most setups, even if they were costed the same. (others may disagree)
You misunderstand point 3. The objective is not to benefit the opponent with an offensive setup, but to force offensive play regardless of the setups, or perhaps to force your own army into being more aggressive.
I agree that displacement immune is weak for the first few tiers, I meant that it could be part of a solution, not the whole solution. For example, displacement immune with a starting teleport. In my opinion, displacement immune T3 is still very strong.
Also, scores aren't final until the tournament is over. So you aren't really disqualified unless you don't edit your unit.
I'm not sure if it is possible to see the same thing so differently, or change anything about it if it is possible. Last effort:
I do not misunderstand point 3, or anything else for that matter. But I have a feeling you misunderstand something more profound.
"objective is not to benefit the opponent with an offensive setup, but to force offensive play regardless of the setups" ?!?!
This is same thing said in 2 ways, 2 sides of same coin, cause and effect.
If I require / encourage something considered offensive, then of course setups that are better offensively will be better at doing the required offense, and therefore benefit (or are punished less, again, different wording for same thing) than non- or less-aggressive setups.
If I make competition in which I require participants to run fast, and hare and snail enter it, how am I going to require them to run fast without benefiting the faster one (hare), in your view ?
The difference in the bolded text is that one involves changes that can be controlled within the course of the match (moving pieces), and the other involves changes that cannot be controlled within the course of the match (army setup). It is not the same thing said twice.