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RE: Got upvotes but no payout? An overview of the situation around the minimum payout threshold
"If you don't have enough SP, a vote on a comment isn't necessarily wasted but can also be seen as a sign of appreciation - also without monetary value."
Dear God, Save all minnows from this manner of thinking. DON'T vote dust, my friends. No one cares about appreciation in this internet world. It is cold, hard cash that is appreciated. Go in the curation league of @abh12345 and see how others are making this work.
Take care of the pennies and the dollars will follow :)
If all you can vote is dust, except if you add 0.005 to a post value, why not vote and add a nice reply to a comment? The 'cold hard cash' of half a cent isn't going to help anyone yes, but may get you a 10 cent vote in return.
Nope - not buying that one. Until your vote "means something" don't waste your time voting comments is my idea.
No one cares for your .001. Just comment and take your chances. Yes, vote for posts down to 90% power each day and get yourself up to a 3 cent votes asap.
Maybe vote on comments that already have 3 cents, but I would not even bother with that.
"add a nice reply to a comment" <<< Yes, do that all day long. The good comment is what will get your the 10 cents, not your .005.
If you want to do the dust sweeper thing, that is a different story, I think, but I have never looked into that plan to know enough about it.
hey @fitinfun, thanks for your comment, but I agree with @abh12345. If Steem is only about "cold hard cash", then we should better all vote for ourselves 10 times a day. Yes, a couple of users are actively practicing this, but a lot of users - including you as far as I can tell - disagree with that and (also) use the social aspects of Steem. Asher's league is a perfect example of that. I personally appreciate a dust vote on my comments from accounts that aren't able to exceed the threshold. And they have a good chance to get back a vote above the threshold for a meaningful comment. They didn't lose anything with that vote, they used their stake, only it benefits all authors and not the single voted author. It's a different story, though, if you can exceed the threshold but still make your vote go dust...
They did lose something. They lost the ability to get a curation reward for a vote they paced on a post. They wasted their already limited power.
I do not care about people who vote themselves all day long on short posts. They rarely get too big and then some whales usually come and kill them at that point. With a few notable exceptions I still don't care about.
Going in the curation league of @abh12345 is a great way to learn how to maximize your curation rewards and I recommend it constantly. I am pretty sure dust voting is not a recommended strategy over there, but I have not been paying attention recently.
It's not only about the cash but this lady is still at the front door for noobs making them think they have a chance.
I can't imagine why you appreciate a dust vote. Do you enjoy watching people rip up dollars bills and throw them to with wind as well? I hate dust votes and try to help the person see the error of their ways if I can. I send them this old post from @thedarkhorse:
Your 2 Cent Vote is Worthless, The Real Deal on Dust Votes
I will "try" to upvote dust votes enough to get a payout on it, but my vote is not strong enough to do that often.
"And they have a good chance to get back a vote above the threshold for a meaningful comment." <<< EXACTLY - no dust votes required.
Ok, I guess we won't come to an agreement on the best practices, but I think we agree that people should be well aware of the threshold :)
Please take the linked post with a grain of salt because it contains some confusion about the different assets (STU/SBD/STEEM), it ignores the rounding of the frontend and contains some statements which are simply wrong.
But the theme of "Don't. Vote. Dust." stands lol.
Unless you are front-running bots, the curation rewards from a redfish account are likely to be way below 5/10 cents a week.
Forget about adding 0.001s together and go all in with an upvote combined with a comment, especially on a reply to a reply on a post where no-one has upvoted Any comments - this will push that comment to the top, even if the payout will be nothing.
Even a dust vote can make a huge difference to visibility of a comment in this case. And, if someone else the sees this comment a dust account has upvoted and votes it too, the curation reward here is likely to be far superior of one coming from a post.
Learning to front run bots is a good skill to learn for your future payouts. I still do this thanks to you. I have several places I can go to and vote before bots get to them and I do this daily. I realize this is small potatoes, but If I get 0.020 instead of 0.001 on many votes a week, it makes a difference over time.
Sadly, that 5-10 cents a week is more than noobs get on all their posts in many cases.
Upvoting comments, especially your own for visibility, is something many people here frown upon. I have been talking to several people who were doing that rampant comment voting for a while and since have stopped. The reason they stopped was that they kept getting bad remarks about it. I cannot believe you support this idea.
But I'm not someone trying to get whales to upvote my replies, so I do not know the ins and outs of what they vote for. I almost never even visit those posts and when I do, I retreat quickly. I am sure this is to my own detriment, but I cannot take the butt kissing up there.
I agree that if you get big votes on a comment after you voted it you can get money for it. This may have happened to me 10 times in a year and a half. I upvote good comments on my posts and others frequently and as far as I know this is charity on my part, even though small.
You misunderstood.
Voting a comment made by another deemed to be the best comment on a post, that has not been voted on as yet, will:
More visibility, more chance of seeing this comment (and your awesome reply), more chance of future votes.
A 5 cent vote on top of a dust voted comment will earn the dust account holder more than voting on a post in most cases.
Hmm... I would love to see stats on how many dust votes end up getting A+ rewards. I still don't recommend dust voting, but if you know of someone making it work, please introduce me. I'm all about the minnow tips over here.