My Sepp Holzer Experience

in #busy5 years ago

Last winter, I read a book by Sepp Holzer,
Sepp Holzer's Permaculture: A Practical Guide to Small-Scale, Integrative Farming and Gardening (2011)*

The guy is a famous figure in the permaculture scene.

I was not impressed by the book.
The guy talks mostly about himself and his Kramerhof.
There is very little practical advice.

There seems to be something that Mr. Holzer delibaretely misunderstands; Commercial farmers grow their plants in rows and in monoculture mainly to reduce costs of labor.
Of course you can have better harvests of random stuff when you just plant everything randomly and integrate all sorts of ditches and hills into your farm.
It just makes harvesting and caring for the farm a nightmare.

...

There was however one idea, that I wanted to copy this year;
In one chapter, he explains how peas and grain can complement each other, and since I would have to harvest these things by hand anyways, I do not care about how hard that would be to manage with a commercial harvester.
I was going to dry the harvest and mill it as quail feed.

So, this spring, I planted, what I came to call the Sepp Holzer Disaster.
I planted 500g of bushy peas, oats and wheat each* on a 20 m² patch some time in April.
* 8€ for the lot
That was way too many seeds, but I expected the mice and birds to steal a lot.
All around the patch are perennial flowers, and I filled the gaps up with poppy seeds, which make good bird feed, too, and also look nice.

Everything sprouted well and just a couple of weeks later it looked promising.
I had planted a bit too dense, perhaps.

There was enough rain in spring and it kept looking promising.
In this picture, you can even see the peas.

And then disaster struck in the form of mice.
Like a biblical plague, they ate through everything.
The peas were all gone after only days.

I always had a few voles, but this year I could not control their population.
I have stocked up on traps since and went on a killstreak.

Meanwhile, Sepp Holzer's advice to voles is to let them be.
They are territorial and (he claims) they will stop breading at some point, if you do not hunt them at all.

That might have worked, if there had been moles in my garden this year.
Voles and moles do not seem to get along very well.

I, however, have at least one dead mouse in a trap every single day.*
* I have pictures ... but decided not to include them here

The kill count is easily over 100 this year and there would have been absolutely no harvest of anything, if I had not stepped in.

Though it looked kind of nice at some point, my Sepp Holzer Experience was mostly about mouse breeding. Maybe there is a market for that one day, but meanwhile I call bullshit on most of Sepp Holzer's theories.

I have not harvested any peas, they are all gone.
I have not harvested any wheat.
There was some oats ...

I have spend 1,5 kg of seeds to harvest 1 kg of products in the end.

I have also harvested shovels of mouse meat and fed it to the hedgehogs, or whoever shows up at night.

I conclude, that Sepp Holzer has some nice ideas, but it does not simply translate into any context.
I have adopted some simple tips, but I doubt that having hogs or chickens in the field (his favorite advice) would have helped the situation or made the harvest any easier or better.

His favorite rodent distraction (Jerusalem artichoke), which I planted 20€ worth of, did not even sprout before it was all eaten.

I feel like this year, I have only fed the mice during my Sepp Holzer Experience.
I have plenty of other stuff to harvest, but those are proven concepts and have worked well before I had ever heard of permaculture.

tl;dr: plant potatoes.

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Greetings @felixxx,

What an experience......thank you for documenting it in order to bring the story to Steemit.

Gardening can be quite trying to be sure. Your lead photograph is lovely.

Rows in the garden are appreciated by bleujay.....the order is thrilling anytime I see it....even expired plants look good in a row. hehe ^__^

Jolie Anniversaire/Happy Steemit Birthday!

Cheers!

I don’t even have a solution for this kind of problem. Burn it all down, maybe? The mole v. vole debacle seems like two enemies making friends and an enemy out of you. I change my suggestion. Introduce snakes.

When I wrote that vole vs mole sentence, I stopped a moment and thought it would make a great children song, perhaps, but that is exactly the point where I run into my limitations as a non native speaker of English.

These mice here would probably just rush at snakes and eat them too.

Hmmm, not too sure about this Sepp guy. The randomly growing stuff just everywhere works, however. I've seen it in a few permaculture places here in Ireland. It takes time of course, and yeah the commercial farms don't want to spend much time.

That hog idea seemed crazy to me to be honest. I used to have a potbellied pig, and she would eat any seeds, roots etc. that I planted, so even though they might keep the rodents away, they will also eat all of the harvest. They're awesome for detecting diseases though I found out...if they don't eat it: trust me, it's no good.
Chickens might scare off the rodents...but not sure what they will do to your growing plants. I completely understand those rodents though: pea sprouts and shoots are VERY tasty. I love them more than the actual peas and I'm sure they agree. I've given up on growing peas since I discovered the shoots...They don't make it past a week of growth here before harvest :)

My best experience here with rodent control is the old-fashioned way: cats. My three cats will catch anything that moves. I've seen them catch birds out of the air, pounce on mice and any bug that flies or crawls. In the winter they come into the house more, so we can keep the mice out, and in the summer they're pretty much outdoors most of the time to keep the mice from even camping around the place. It works! My cats hardly ever roam either, and never very far, there's just so much to do for them here and they take their jobs very seriously. And aside from the odd beheaded mouse or bird, I hardly see any casualties because mine are true hunters: they hunt, kill and eat their prey.

This garden is in a sort of remote location.
Nothing would make a cat stay there.
Also, I do not want cat urine in my herbs and stuff.
And cats hunt the native birds, which sucks.

Holzer uses the pigs/chickens for plowing, before he plants.
That does make some sense - I was joking.

While pea shoots are tasty, they do not keep as bird feed :P

I have done my share of work as a farm hand and fruit picker in the commercial sector. Unless you have great marketing channels, harvesting random stuff, at random times in random quantities is not profitable. Even in my small garden here, it 'pays off' to have everything tidy. I have tried all methods, really ...

At this point, I could write a book about it :D

Maybe you should write a book ;)

Yeah, I kind of assumed that you lived close to the garden plot, so no, cats wouldn't be an option. Although mine really don't do their business in any of my herb/veg patches, they prefer a private corner somewhere at the edge of the field. I stuck those collars with a bell on them, which saves the birds but not the mice somehow. And there was me thinking mice have good hearing. The cats weren't happy though, looked at me angrily when yet another bird got away...
It saves us from picking up the birdie pieces though, so I'll deal with the angry faces.

OK, yeah I didn't think hogs was a great idea although I didn't catch the joke, and I guess keeping a terrier or something there wouldn't really be great either.

Are you growing commercially? I agree, commercially it pays off to have things tidy. There was one permaculture farm I visited and this woman had huge yields, but she was mainly growing for herself and a little for people who visited.
However, somehow she manages to live off 10 Euro a week (internet) with only 2.5 acres of land. Now, her plot was something special though, she turned the land that had nothing into a little piece of paradise. Her way of growing was kind of tidy, but still several plants and trees growing together.
I advise anyone who comes to Ireland and is interested in permaculture to visit her. We've been there a few times, it makes for an amazing homeschool project.

I've started to grow a few things in aeroponics/fogponics this year, but was planning to do a lot more. I have a huge polytunnel frame set up, but no cover yet. If I end up staying here the thing will definitely be covered by next spring, giving me a lot more options in the Irish weather. With the size of that polytunnel, if growing with hydro/aero or fog, it should be possible to grow enough vegetables to feed half the town (in theory).

Need to get a dachshund or a terrier to wreak havoc on those bastards....

yeah, a Jack Russell will take them on :)

Impresionante @felixxx como se pueden disfrutar los beneficios de cultivar nuestras propias plantas. Es una recompensa por tanto esfuerzo. Saludos y feliz fin de semana

Da hast du ja lehrreiche Erfahrungen gemacht... schon ärgerlich ist die Ausbeute deiner Aussaat. Ich habe auch schon mit der Permakultur geliebäugelt (es sollte ja eigentlich weniger Arbeit bedeuten ;-) gut, dass du etwas ausprobiert hast, da werde ich noch mal neu überlegen.) Lieben Gruß Kadna

Ist ja nicht alles Blödsinn. Das Mulchen z.B. habe ich mittlerweile übernommen und brauche kaum noch zu jäten. Das geht aber auch nur, weil die Sommer jetzt so trocken waren, denn sonst wäre so ein Mulchhaufen das reine Schneckenparadies.

Komm mal zum Steemfest !

Ich kann mir im Moment nicht mal Steemcamp leisten hihi. Mein Urlaub ist in der Heimat (Ostsee) und Muddern zahlt die Zugfahrt ;-) Lieben Gruß Kadna

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