Crypto tax thoughts.

in #cryptocurrency8 years ago (edited)

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Driving home from the gym last night, my mind (as it often does lately) wandered over to steemit, steem and cryptocurrency.

And it sparked another thought. One that's on a lot of peoples mind lately I'm sure.

I was thinking about how us Dutch people will be taxed for our Cryptoholdings. They will be taxed as property and not as income.

That means, we will have to pay 30% tax over the notional yield of our property. There's some complex math involved (it IS taxes after all, why make it easy) but it'll come down to something like 30% over anything from 2 to 5% of our total crypto's worth (well and other property of course).

The height of that property is determined by what you had on Januari 1st. of your taxyear.

Now what got me thinking is how on earth are they going to check what any person holds in crypto. They will have to take your good word for it, because unlike income and savings in FIAT, there'll be NO government organ or company or whatever handing over your holdings to the taxman.

See, here in the Netherlands, our tax return papers are already pre-filled with your yearly income (which they get from employers) and savings (which they get from banks) etc etc. But again, not so for crytpo.

I can see how they might query Exchanges (which more and more require your passport for verification). Those might even be legally obliged to divulge what's in your account, but most if not all of us have at least SOME holdings in wallets on their computer (or steemit.com for instance)

How is taxman EVER going to know the total worth of THAT if they don't even know where to look for it. That's basically my train of thought.

Meanwhile, after reading up on the topic, it's appears to be a matter of 'you're legally obliged' to declare your property/capital. You might think and/or follow my train of thought, but when you sell your crypto to FIAT, the taxman might (will) see that as inexplicable income and might start an audit with all sorts of sanctions when they discover you've been hodling out on them.

Still not sure how this could ever work for a 100% ... but then again, I'm no economics wonder.
Just average Joe with a random brainfart while driving home from the gym.


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nice ... was looking for an example case. Pretty much how I had it in my head ... having to pay property tax is WAY better than income tax :)

Excellent post and also the link by @s3rg3. I'm ok for now with this tax proposal but people holding crypto currency for long term risky investment will be very concerned. That bitcoin you bought looking to make huge returns will have to be partly sold in December just to keep the investment going, otherwise one might have to pay more tax than the investment is worth depending on the fluctuation. I also now realise that I'm probably fucked when it comes to my zombie account since it has 40 sbd and 40 steem in it and I can't take it out at all but will probably have to pay tax on it. What to do if steem suffers a massive decline on Jan 2019 after record climb in December?

don't worry, there's a tax-free foot up till € 25000 anything over that will be taxed for 0.86 % over anything between € 25000 and 75000 meaning that:

If you have € 75000 yo don't pay tax over the 1st € 25000 and only 0.86% over the remaining € 50000 meaning your tax over that year would be € 430 ...

so you're good. don't worry. Your ghost account will never be taxed unless either sbd or steem hits € 1000 and than it'd still only cost you.

worst case they both hit € 1000 then you'd have to pay € 473 every year as Property tax ... not happening anytime soon I'm sure. (also, with that worth, 5 posts with vote @fabrews account on will have that covered)

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