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RE: We are launching a new service called Steem-Forever

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UPDATE: EVERYONE - CHECK THIS OUT:

https://steemit.com/steemdev/@holger80/rewarding-paid-out-posts-without-using-python

WTF??


I just used it why does steemd say only 65% is going to the author?

this pissed me off a bit, make that a lot.....nothing on your webpage indicated that you will be taking a whopping 35% tax from the rewards of the post for a simple steem api call that will cost you and your company next to nothing


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Nothing On Your Web Site WARNS USERS That You Will Be Taking 35% of the Rewards for a simple comment steem api call AND a simple reward sharing steem api call

IN Fact The Reward Example Clearly Shows That You Are Suppose To Give 100% To The Content Curator!

GIF CLEARLY UPDATES FROM $12.99 - $10.59 = 100% OF $2.40 UPVOTE


We Already Have So Few Sincere Appreciative Content Consumer....And You Want Steem Bounty Do Them That WAY!


HELL NO!


EVERYONE I STRONGLY SUGGEST DISABLING Steem Bounty until they do 2 things:
  1. Put an Honest Disclaimer That Their Advertising is Honest AND True, 100% rewards to the Author

  2. Make this 100% Free Feature....It's Stupid Simple! Steem Bounty is only making 2 Free Steem API Call (As They Have Clearly Advertised) Also Since They are already earning from their Bounty, Their Other Services and Also as a Witness

REVOKE YOUR POSTING ACCESS TO STEEM BOUNTY WITH LINK BELOW!

https://steemconnect.com/revoke/@steem-bounty-app

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Thanks for highlighting this. What shocking behaviour. Access revoked.

I am sorry to see you go. Hope you can change your mind.

Were our services useful to you ever?

why not try asking where your service was weak and didn't measure up

I get that running servers and paying employees isn't free and I think a small %age is fair, but not 35% - more like 5% or less. If the idea is sound, then they should find investors who'll help pay the bills until the system returns a profit at a much smaller reward share.

their cost is more like 0.0001 additional Steem per 1000 comment and upvote, they are running it off their profit server already ....it's just a freaking page, am not sure if you know dev, but this is totally super easy

...it's merely a script...and like a few lines......just straight steem api calls......make a comment, assign reward sharing, and upvote with your posting token

also the script would easily be a stick call function, meaning they don't even need a dedicated server or hardly any cpu resources, this is tiny bell at best, and what a terribly lame way to do it and expect to charge a premium....it's like the guy who just open the door to the restaurant wants 35% tip of your total meal when you tipping the waiter for full service at max 15%, and yeah...he will only open the backdoor, so you have to still walk all the way around the building and go through the basement and walk past the sticky toilets where he pees, then pay him 35% before you get into the dining area

look...if they are smart they will make it free and convince steemit inc and busy to put in a link into their platform (like blocktrades, gopack, steemchat) so they get free traffic and grow their business, how greedy do our witnesses running low cost business need to be?

in short 5% is still way too much....that's like averaging 50,000% return on investment with just 1K processing each day.....and we argue about how we don't reward the ecosystem to encourage content consumption.....ffs this is direct punishment of content appreciation, consumption

here's a better solution: Forever Green Architecture: Unlimited Content Creator Rewards

here is what we need todo (besides calling out the bullshit) to curation and other content reward hoggers: Radically Improving Curation and Rewarding Correct & Positive Ecosystem Behavior, Not Bad Behavior

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i agree with the investment you put in, with re-occuring service based biz (much alike subscriptions) it's slow to initially recoup even if it's breakeven goal to help enrich the ecosystem for our own and mutual benefit before business goals

i've funded a server for 8 months with little return to run bots and scripts to cut down community volunteer time, and that's just automation, we put in a witness to help reduce partial cost (not even cover cost) and we don't even get any witness votes consistently to move forward, we were around 96 and now we're well over >115 because none of the volunteers nor myself have time in the last 2 months to seek support or promote our 100% community benefit witness {to my knowledge there is only 1 other like us that's Curie all other business, personal or community witnesses basically have private owner(s) and subject to their needs first not a community vote based leadership operation}

my point is i actually do understand, let me merely try to explain that the ongoing function of additional few lines and the non-thread needed operation adds next to no cost to existing overhead

my apologize for using the word profit, that was insensitive, i think it's fair that such fundamental function and impactful feature that's easy to implement not be treated so carelessly as a immediate profit grab benefit (imagine if Steemit Inc suddenly go from changing 0% to 35% if someone Re-Steem a post right when that function came out a few months after launching a primitive steemit.com....how far do you think they will get today).....think bigger implement it as a marketing benefit for your company

think win-win, even short to mid-term, i ask you to consider my points as well, i was tired when i wrote all these, i'm still tired now. Bottom line is you lose nothing running this now....might as well get as much foothold as you can

look we can all forget this...and nobody want to use it with a stigma hanging over this.....and Steemians can stay modestly selfish or get worst.....or we get a little better due to development leader like yours, you can make a big change immediately early on, it's such a small and low hanging fruit but it could really make steem-bounty even as a separate web-based apps linking away from Steemit or Busy....if you agree i can point out to you some great way to monetize this via traffic return and not immediate cash harvest like greedy whales and self upvoters who put themselves and their coin stacking first and their own Steem wallets last, do it right for the best reasons, and the results that will get you the most user and maximum support

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You have a niche and you are ahead now, and since it's the idea that has the most value

If you did quit, another developer(s) will just fill the hole you left and take the market you developed, you know that

smartsteem and minnowbooster would love to have that innovation, everything is kinda based on opensource here even if the code is not, the idea and the leadership is recognize in bounty.....not more no less

i have lost excess of 30K investing, and I don't even have a business and site and brand to show for like you do.....and yes have made back plenty but not from Steem reward pool nor from Steemians, but with trade....we do what we must but not on a path towards lose-lose self-destruction

all i know is my investment instincts and decades of experience tells me if i withdraw all my Steem to Fiat or even Bitcoin i would probably deeply regret it as early as next 3-6 months and surely in next 12 months

but every Steem holder is a like a voting proxy share holder in the truest sense ...no not because we're proof of stake in architecture, but because our value is community driven, we all have to give greatly in these initial days

we are privileged to be part of this, so any abuse is self-abuse, way your decision carefully

you may not see it now, but this could be the great turning point and celebration for bounty and give you your next level of visibility

i'm repeating as i am interested in your success, and i assure you I'm not leading you on....but if you agree to give this as a gift to the ecosystem to run and adopt w/o penalizing generous Steemians and authors (both to your company's benefit as well as all Steemians) i can point out to you 3 immediate great way to monetize this traffic return and not just lead to immediate cash harvest....but the backing of Stats that will lead you to greater revenues and subscribers

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You are right I should have been more upfront about this. We are still working on making this part work, via a VIP system. No excuse this should have been communicated clearly.

Understood, but really 35% without VIP is just way too much take from minnows, you should get rid of that 35% and watch your efforts and UI/UX attract a massive number of user who prefer the convenience and still pay 5%

look i've already talked to reggaemuffin and mahdiyari, if you don't make this simple and quick for adoption they are considering putting feature into their dapp for the convenience of their userbase, but they probably won't bother if you make it easier for others

Answered this in the post itself via an update for best visibility.

do us all a solid, and yourself as well with your own massive Steem ownership....do it not just for all but for the best outcome of your business investment, i've used bounty just once and was happy with it for a buddy, i will continue to use it if you make things right

Let's see what they have to say about this 🤔

Let me know what you feel about my answer.

I took my time to read all the comments in order to get the details of this interesting discussion. The only thing I can blame you is a mistake when communicating the conditions about the project. People may have their opinions (valid or not I dunno since I don't know how to code) but you are contributing to the ecosystem none the less. Therefore, you should have taken your time to explain in detail what the percentage that you are keeping for yourself as well as the reasons for you to do it.

Instead of raising disapproval you might even get support from more steemians. Full transparency if something highly valuable in every project for our community. I still think that you are doing an overall great job.

I have one final question, how is your profit scheme from the voting club? I intend to do something with 1k SP but I have not decided yet what to do. I want to do the math properly in order to fetch the best option available.

Thank you for your quick response, best regards.

thx for your feedback. Agree shoulda communicated this more clearly. I am sorry about this.

Anytime you have a question like this go to our FAQ:https://steem-bounty.com/FAQ

Or click the "?" icon on the website. It has all that stuff.

The voting club votes for you have given and received 10 full votes it will upvote a steem-bounty post or comment with 1 full vote.

hi @joelsegovia, you are correct hiding fees and cost is deceptive and unacceptable, but that's the small and excusable point, you're actually more correct about how this could be really positive, but i'm not seeing their interest to get the best from the situation but instead they just continue to push their unreasonable agenda

you look like an active curator, and you should be earning curation from you efforts and upvotes, how would you feel if I told you every single one of your upvote reward is permanently set to 0% earning, how would you feel?

that how steem-forever is currently working, it not just taking away 51.25% of the entire upvote from Curator and Author (the low payout price of 65% from the total Author 75% Reward gives 100%-0.65x75%=51.25% lost),

Additionally steem-forever also upvotes the steem-forever comment immidiately with the user account (Voting at 0-1min gives about 0% Curation reward), it seems all Bounty's Steem Forever is concern about is getting the 35% of the Author Rewards as profits

I have already address this with the business owner in the comment above, and they really need to fix this before letting they code run again....they can do this in a few hours if they have good script coders (of if they are using python code they can just copy from another developer who posted a code and solution just below)

As for ideas on how to earn from you 1K, You're probably better of:

  1. selling your upvote via @smartmarket or @minnowbooster you will get 85% cash payment back and easily 10 - 30% curation depending on your luck and your position and how big the post that you voted on, it could sometimes be even higher if you got in early to a trending post

OR

  1. you can make a little more if you want to experiment with steemauto fan follow and find popular poster who consistently earn >$30 to $100 and try to position yourself between 5-14mins (before 15mins) to avg get >90-120% ROI. Yes this can be done, especially for smaller accounts around the few K mark.

There are many other ways to earn that will beat voting club will likely always pair you wth equivalent small to medium account which reduces your curation earning, surely smaller on avg compared to the 2 ideas i shared with you

Thank you for your feedback, I want to benefit while at the same time contributing to the overall well being of the platform. I totally agree with you that any type of abuse is self-abuse, we all are (in different proportions) stakeholders and we will benefit more if Steem reaches 2$, 3$ -50$ why not? And that is exactly what we should be working for. The flaw seems to come from the team of Steemit.inc because they should use their delegations to fund projects that could potentially increase the inherent value of Steem... But, if we don't assume that this task is our also doable for us, we tend to behave like scavengers trying to earn as much profit from the platform before it collapses.

Your argumentation is pretty solid, the figures support most of your claims. So far, I think that you were so upset that you wrote too violently (I understand that because when I feel that someone is trying to abuse I react similarly) and @knircky is not receptive even if you changed your tone and apologized for some of your statements (I understand him as well since you openly pointed at him prior giving him the chance to explain the situation, everybody makes mistakes even when their actions are well-intended).

I think that @knircky may or may not accept your apology, it is up to him. He apologized for its poorly communicated details about the economic features and I think that he is smart enough to gather valuable information from what you already have extensively commented. I really want since you seem to be protecting the common interest of us all.

You are right, it can be done in 55 lines of python code. Everyone who wants to reward old posts with 100% can do this using my script:
https://steemit.com/steemdev/@holger80/steem-forever-rewarding-old-posts-with-beem

Awesome, nice of you to add cool features like 15mins so we get some curation for finding great old content!

I can imagine @Curie going back to reward old content that was totally missed in the past....the possibilities are now endless!

Upvoting your post 100%

I get that running servers and paying employees isn't free and I think a small %age is fair, but not 35% - more like 5% or less. If the idea is sound, then they should find investors who'll help pay the bills until the system returns a profit at a much smaller reward share.

Well so far we are operating at a loss, including the witness itself, which earns less than what we pay for server fees.

We will try to see if we can at least break even and take it from there.

Sounds like you need to find investors. :)

self upvoted to give visibility!

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