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RE: SPIRITUAL FOOD 4 THOUGHT - THE PROBLEM WITH THINKING THAT GOD MIGHT WANT YOU TO DO SOMETHING
I'm not sure all that @naganoo is guilty of, so comparing me to someone else isn't a fair assessment of my points of contention. It rather shows the invalidity if your points of contention.
So far, neither you, nor @papa-pepper has answered my points addressed in this post. Rather you both would like to equate me with Satan and demons.
@bluerthangreen well Satan and demons deceive men in to disobedience to God's law so.......
No one needs to be deceived to disobey God because if we are lost, then we are all under sin to begin with and are enemies of God naturally. However, men are deceived into thinking that they can be "good enough" to merit God's forgiveness or favor. All our righteousness is as fithly rags. The deception is in thinking there is any worth in what you do in the flesh. Yeshua is Lord. Jesus is Lord.
You say this as if Torah Observant believers think obeying God earns us our salvation. NEWS FLASH, WE DO NOT THINK THAT!!
Does salvation require a change in our behavior? YES OF COURSE! It is the realization of our sinful behaviour that shows we need salvation. Should we receive salvation and continue to live as we did prior to salvation? GOD FORBID! After receiving salvation, our desire is to live as Yeshua did, to live a life of obedience to God's laws.
You claim you don't think that, but your belief that a person must observe the Torah in order to maintain his/her salvation says otherwise. If faith in the finished work of Jesus saves you, it is also faith that mainains you.
So you are saying then salvation requires no change in lifestyle? You can live like hell after salvation and still be saved. I think you better reread Matthew 7 cus Yeshua had something very different to say than what you are.
Sin is transgression of the law.
No, that is not what I am saying. Salvation always produces a change in the person receiving salvation because God's nature indwells them through the New birth. That change is called the fruit of the Spirit; love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, faithfulness and self control. No where in there is circumcision, dietary restriction, nor holy day observance mentioned or equated. I can exhibit all those fruit and still work on the Sabbath. I can exhibit all those fruit and not be circumcised. I can exhibit all those fruit and still eat pork.
You keep using extreme potential cases, like "living like hell" to prove your point, when I've never claimed that a saved person lives like that. I don't live like that. Jesus saved me from a life of debauchery over 24 years ago. I am not the same person I was then, for I have grown in the fruit of the Spirit, all the while eating pork and not observing Mosaic holy days. I was circumcised at birth, not even on the eighth day, apart from any say I had in it.
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That verse you keep quoting in 1 John 3:4
Do you know that that word "anomos" is never used to speak of the Law of Moses? It speaks of another Law. The same law written on the hearts of gentiles that Paul speaks of in Romans 2. It's not speaking of the Law of Moses, but God's moral law that is universal to all people, not just those who were given a covenant on Mount Sinai.
There is a big IF in the middle of your statement. Yes those who are lost do not need to be deceived to disobey God because they are lost. Those who have been found can be deceived by Satan and demons to disobey God, they can be deceived to think something that God said is a sin is not actually a sin. Case in point this guy right here.
The same God who declared homosexuality an abomination is the same God who declared eating pork and shellfish is an abomination.
You would be a hypocrite to say anything about this man's abominable lifestyle while still consuming that which God declared is an abomination. Specks and planks.