"Psychedelic Slip:" Does Cannabis Change After Tripping?
I have seen some discussion about whether using psychedelics causes a permanent change in the way one experiences the effects of cannabis. There is, of course, some contention on this topic and, not surprisingly, very little hard research to support either side of the debate. The fact remains, however, that some percentage of users report that their cannabis highs became more trip like after having experienced psychedelic drugs. It has been quite some time since I first tried psychedelics so it is difficult to remember how weed felt before that but I do think that there maybe something to the claim. I certainly do notice a level of "trippyness" in the cannabis high and, while I don't consider it to be psychedelic, I do think that it is psychedelic adjacent. I don't necessarily have a argument to make today (plus, I am feeling a bit under the weather this evening) but I would like to present my perspective on the issue and share my thoughts on what may be causing the change that some returning psychonauts describe.
So what exactly is the issue here and how severe is it? Well, that depends on who you ask. Some individuals claim that, having an intense trip, cannabis started to bring back some or all of the psychedelic effects of whichever drug that they had taken. For many of them, this is quite distressing because they lose their ability to casually consume cannabis. Others report (I think this is the majority of the people who have experienced this phenomenon) that the high feels different and has a more psychedelic quality to it. For these people, it is less of a problem but it is still a strange and sudden shift in how they feel when they smoke or eat cannabis. If this only occurred shortly after the use of a psychedelic drug, it would be pretty easy to write it off as an unknown drug interaction or the cannabis high intensifying some lingering psychedelic effects to the point that they become noticeable again. However, these users often state that this in an ongoing and perhaps permanent change in their perception of the weed high.
I can't claim to know what is going on with any certainty but I have some ideas. In arguing for the benefits of using psychedelics for personal, social, and societal, discovery and advancement, I often say that even after the effects of these drugs are gone from the mind of a psychonaut, the memory remains and he or she can (in some regards) slip back into a trippy state of mind. I am not referring to some anti-drug propaganda film's "flashback," of course. However, I do believe that, under the right circumstances, one who has experience with these drugs can get back into a psychedelic head-space. I have experienced this type of thing myself. I find that if I am around a group of people who are tripping for enough time, I will begin to feel slightly trippy too. There are no visuals, and I can easily snap myself out of that mindset but, for a moment, I laugh at all the same nonsense as them, I can follow their weird and seemingly disconnected thought processes, and I even start to feel the same intensification of emotion that accompanies the use of these drugs. It seems that in my case, some stimuli trigger a psychedelic response. I believe that this same principal may be at work in the cannabis conundrum. As I said above, I (and many others) consider weed to be similar, in some ways, to psychedelics. Those similarities, I think, set off the "psychedelic slip" and these people experience "trip" or some aspects of a trip for that reason. One may have associated his or her racing heart with coming up on acid and when he or she get slightly anxious from smoking a joint, it draws up a little bit his or her past experiences. It could also be that the euphoria of the high is reminiscent of that of a positive mushroom trip. The specific stimulus is unimportant, I suppose, but we develop all sorts of triggers that will put us in one psychological state or another, so it doesn't seem to be all that far fetched to suggest that the right trigger could also put someone into a profoundly altered state of mind. In short, the high, I believe, is the same as it ever was but these particular cannabis consumers have become sensitized to some aspect of it and that is what sets off their trippy response.
I am just some guy on the internet, though. I could be completely wrong in my position and that is fine. However, this is a fascinating topic and it is one that's poorly explored, even in psychedelic and cannabis communities. I am curious to hear what you all have to say about the issue. If you have used both cannabis and psychedelics, did you notice a change in your highs? What do you think may be the cause or are the people who report this change just blowing things out of proportion?
Peace.
Hey everyone, sorry if this is a little shorter and less fleshed out than usual. Like I said earlier, I was feeling a little sick and writing something lengthier seemed daunting at the moment but I wanted to get a post out you all so I thought I would present this little topic that interests me, which I hope you enjoyed. If not, rest assured; I will put out something a bit more substantial next time.
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I first smoked pot when I was 12 and tripped on acid at 15. The two complement each other well. During the first time I smoked a joint, about an hour later I went to the bathroom to take a piss and looked in the mirror. I remember how diluted my eyes looked, how spacy but gassed up and confident I felt. It was quite a rush for someone twelve and I didn't feel freaked but I did notice how I looked closely at the stoned self in the mirror. Later, on psychedelics, it was a lot more intense, but I had the same feeling of being gassed up and full of confidence. So, yeah, the trip is similar, both activate a similar part of the brain, but acid, mushrooms, peyote, or whatever enhance everything a lot more.
I really don't think my feeling about cannabis changed very much. Even since my first time, I noticed how it changed my perception of life and all that surrounded me. That continued after using more intense psychedelics. If anything, it made me appreciate the high from pot more than before. It showed me it was more cerebral than the motor-numbing effects of alcohol and even since I loved it so much more than just being fuzzy and sloppy while getting drunk. It made me realize that there was a lot more interesting perceptions and mind alterations that could be attained beyond drinking yourself into a stupor.
Psychedelics can be a little daunting since they are enhancers. Cannabis has never been daunting, but they are both cerebral.
Haha I started at 12 too. I went and smoked a pink joint (it was some ridiculous flavored paper) that was full of seeds and stems with some other kid then we went back to school.
I remember the people who knew that we smoked talked a bunch of shit like we were addicts then I saw most of them smoking like two years later when we were all in high school lol.
In my case is was my second brother who turned on my third brother and I. The folks had gone to watch some R-rated or whatever kind of movie, which was their way to feel racy and put a little spice back into their lives. At home their little darlings were getting high. Man, that was a long time ago.
By the way, I read your last post. Sorry to hear about your sick relative. I hope the person pulls through and can spend a little more time with loved ones. It's been seven months since my second son died. He's been in our thoughts since his birthday is tomorrow. He'd be 32. Fuck ...
I feel you. Looking back on my youth like that makes me realize how much time has passed. I was talking with a friend of mine who I have known since middle school and we got to talking about the stuff that was okay then that totally wouldn't fly now (like how the football coaches would make us hit each other as punishment while they talked about they were going to bang our moms) and I suddenly felt old lol.
Thanks. Its my grandfather and he is pushing 90 so it doesn't come as a shock. There was a comedian (I can't remember his name) who had a joke where he tells his friend that his 80 something grandma died and his friend says "oh no, how?" Despite that though it is still sad for everyone. The big issue is my grandmother (who is also pushing 90) because her mind isn't all there anymore so making sure that she eats and takes all her medicine and has someone who is up at 4am to call falls on me and my dad and uncle.
Man, I know I said this before but I am sorry to hear that. I know that has to be more than kind of rough.
It sucks, so how's your grandfather? Is he getting better?
Eh he is in a rehab center now but better pretty unlikely. He has a bunch cancer and is going through chemo and the odds of it working are pretty slim. He is a tough old guy though. He survived a war and three heart attacks so maybe he will sitick around but things aren't looking great.
Sounds as though he's going through the motions. Life is, after all, a terminal disease. Can't really complain. Making it to 90+ is better than most of us. Is he in a lot of pain?
More or less. It seems pretty well controled but he is on a bunch of pain killers. He has been in pain for years though. He had a rough life. After he retired from the army, he started a business doing heating and air conditioning repair and he fell off a few latters and stuff so he had a broken back, messed up sholders, and bad knees. Then he also several heart attacks, some strokes, two other cancers. Like I said, he is a tough old man but age is a bitch.
Completely agree with your take on this. Once seen it can never be unseen. And while I know people who sort of "counter" a trip with cannabis or amplify it consciously, for me even cannabis by itself these days - after my first hard trips - is a monumental door opener once I have been off it for a few weeks. Definitely a psychedelic in my book nowadays.
I have had cannabis experiences in recent years that turned out to be full fledged trips. Less of the visual sort, but totally connected to the subtext of the cosmos, if I may give the thing a name. I just have massive access, to a degree that I never used to back in the day before trips when getting high was pure shits n giggles.
for this reason, smoking cannabis at psychedelic festivals will trip me out way more than a tough trip will, people fuck me up in that state, because canna draws so much energy into the headspace, easily trapping me there with my ego movie and the hangups of thought-obsession.
But as I said, I have friends who absolutely dig the combination and have no problems - for me, it's way too much door opening at once these days. My brother is the same: Ever since the first trip, smoking cannabis (especially with people around, even friends) becomes a freakin challenging endeavor.
A few friends of mine swear though, that these challenging effects stem largely from not smoking the canna pure, but because it is generally mixed with tobacco in Europe. I have yet to try a pure combination one day, once and if I ever feel brave enough after the last time hitting a joint three times on acid, lol <3
Mushrooms were the first to change my ordinary state of mind.
Before this trip I smoked once cannabis, but there was no effect, although other people were stoned.
After my first and very positive mushroom trip, when I smoked weed, I felt nothing again. However my friend got stoned. And he was very surprised that it did not work for me. I smoked 3 times more. And in the end, it was too much of THC in me that my consciousness was forced to give up, and I got stoned very much and so hardly, that it was my worst cannabis experience. I got audio hallucinations and effects of such a sort that I had no with mushrooms.
At first I liked it, but then the effect turned out to be too strong, I vomited and I spent the rest of the trip in the bathroom with no memories, with some static picture as the background. I thought my brain broke))
After this experience, I was afraid to smoke weed again. Then I tried Salvia Divinorum, again Mushrooms, LSD. I liked it. Cannabis still frightened me.
Then I met a person who taught me to smoke cannabis and feel good. I stopped being afraid and began to enjoy this state. However, I never got mushroom or lsd effects with cannabis. And only Salvia sometimes slightly reminds of herself during smoking cannabis.
Haha I didn't get high the first time either but I had been warned that some people don't. You are right about it coming on hard when it does happen though lol.
I haven't heard about it with salvia but that is interesting. I tried it a few times but I never got a good trip from it so maybe the stuff I got wasn't very strong.
Weed does that to some people. It, in some ways is more likely to cause a "bad trip."
I met only one person that felt nothing after smoking x20 Salvia 3 times. I don't know why some people can not feel it but it is really very strong, soon I will write a post about my Salvia experiences))
When I first started smoking, it was mildly psychedelic. The altered state of mind was new to me, having never done anything like it before. I had some trippy thoughts and learned some interesting things, but I soon got used to the high and it lost those qualities.
After doing a few low and moderate doses of LSD and 4-ACO-DMT, weed didn't change much, if at all. I haven't smoked at all since my last (and strongest) trip on LSD, so maybe it did change after that, but I don't care to find out.
I feel much better without being dependent on weed to feel good, without the mental addiction, the mind fog, the lack of dreams, the money being spent on it that could be spent on better things. I've replaced it with meditation and while it doesn't really get me "high" it does better things. I have learned a lot from meditation. I've noticed an increase in creativity since I started practicing it. I feel like weed slows the mind down, delays facing problems that you need to face, while meditation quiets the mind to help it work more efficiently, and solve any problems it's currently dealing with. I feel better that I'm learning to these skills and diving inward naturally without relying on a drug.
That's not to say I'm against weed. I still kind of miss it, and I know it does great things for many people. I just feel I personally am better off without it at this point.
I suspect most people never noticed much of a difference. I don't know how common this but it seems to be common enough that a bunch of results come up on google and YouTube lol.
Haha Yeah weed isn't for everyone.